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Final-Fan on 15 March 2010
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
But dsister never "re-entered," as his old role, at least, he filled in the shoes of dtewi, who would've stayed in the game if not for computer problems. 

Think of it as this: I'm playing brawl and I have to go to the bathroom, so I give the controller to the guy next to me so he plays as me. 

he DID re-enter...

dsister was sent off (killed)
he then came back on as a substitue for dtewi (should have been modkilled)
he then helped his team win.

how is that NOT cheating?

as for your analogy: is the guy next to you someone who already lost in the game? are there another set of guys behind him who also already lost who you ignored when you gave him the controller? are you playing a team game? are the other team given a say in what youre doing? have the other team had players leave and not been able to hand there controller to someone next to them?

bolded is what it doesn't seem like you're recognizing. 

And the analogy: 
- Yes, so what? 
- Yes, so what? 
- Yes, so what? 
- No, why should they? 
- This is your only decent objection.  All I can say is that losing the cop that way would hurt the game terribly.  And also that there were too many mafia to start with, so a bunch getting modkilled just evened it out ... 



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SciFiBoy on 15 March 2010
Final-Fan said:
Look you guys, there's plenty to complain about regarding this game (even if TOS isn't to blame for it) but your specific complaint of
-- choice of dsister for the replacement of dtewi
is just laughable IMO. You can complain about the fact that the cop was one of only two people to get a replacement, but complaining about dsister being the one to replace him is just dumb IMO. dsister had ZERO information about the game, just his observations. Unless he had non-kosher information (like being a mafia/mason/talking to other dead people with such info) I fail to see the difference between him getting the role and some other person who had not been in the game at all.

Falcon -- dsister did not get "revived".

Personally IMO this game was a disaster but very little of that can be laid at TOS's feet. When half the players quit, it's really their fault for the problems that creates.

two main points here:

1. either you modkill all inactive players or you replace them all.

2. if you die in the game, you have also lost and can no longer take part, you cannot be put back in as a replacement.

all me and the others are saying is this: moderation should be consistent and within the rules of the game



SciFiBoy on 15 March 2010
Final-Fan said:
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
But dsister never "re-entered," as his old role, at least, he filled in the shoes of dtewi, who would've stayed in the game if not for computer problems. 

Think of it as this: I'm playing brawl and I have to go to the bathroom, so I give the controller to the guy next to me so he plays as me. 

he DID re-enter...

dsister was sent off (killed)
he then came back on as a substitue for dtewi (should have been modkilled)
he then helped his team win.

how is that NOT cheating?

as for your analogy: is the guy next to you someone who already lost in the game? are there another set of guys behind him who also already lost who you ignored when you gave him the controller? are you playing a team game? are the other team given a say in what youre doing? have the other team had players leave and not been able to hand there controller to someone next to them?

bolded is what it doesn't seem like you're recognizing. 

And the analogy: 
- Yes, so what? 
- Yes, so what? 
- Yes, so what? 
- No, why should they? 
- This is your only decent objection.  All I can say is that losing the cop that way would hurt the game terribly.  And also that there were too many mafia to start with, so a bunch getting modkilled just evened it out ... 

how is replacing someone, not replacing them?

- the rules say he has lost, he cannot then come back in and win, its called cheating
- this also makes it unfair on those other players, though I think NONE of them should get that offer
- leads to the next point
- if the game started ubalanced, then the mod got it wrong, they cant then modkill or replace to try and level it up, they should just admit they made the game unbalanced and that one team may now have less chance of winning, its also something the mod can learn from for the next game they moderate.



c03n3nj0 on 15 March 2010

Too lazy to quote you scifi, and chrome sucks sooo

1. But dtewi was active, unlike the mafia members who got modkilled. It's way worse to lose an active player than someone who's dead weight anyway, wouldn't you agree?

2. Okay, let's say he didn't choose dsister? Who would be there to replace him that hasn't played yet? Would the mod just stop the game so he could search for someone who was willing to play? No, they all already signed up in the beginning of the game.

And besides, dsister was the only one of ya that said he was available.



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SciFiBoy on 15 March 2010
c03n3nj0 said:
Too lazy to quote you scifi, and chrome sucks sooo

1. But dtewi was active, unlike the mafia members who got modkilled. It's way worse to lose an active player than someone who's dead weight anyway, wouldn't you agree?

2. Okay, let's say he didn't choose dsister? Who would be there to replace him that hasn't played yet? Would the mod just stop the game so he could search for someone who was willing to play? No, they all already signed up in the beginning of the game.

And besides, dsister was the only one of ya that said he was available.

1. so what? he said he could no longer play (therefore making him inactive from that point on)

2. given what had happend before then, in this game, the mod should have modkilled dtwei

3. I dont recall being asked or even having it suggested to me, I have been both online and keeping fairly up to date with this game since I died, though I dont ask to cheat and go back in as I respect the rules.



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dsister44 on 16 March 2010
SciFiBoy said:

two main points here:

1. either you modkill all inactive players or you replace them all.

2. if you die in the game, you have also lost and can no longer take part, you cannot be put back in as a replacement.

all me and the others are saying is this: moderation should be consistent and within the rules of the game

It was consistent. One mafia was replaced and one townie was replaced 



SciFiBoy on 16 March 2010
dsister44 said:
SciFiBoy said:

two main points here:

1. either you modkill all inactive players or you replace them all.

2. if you die in the game, you have also lost and can no longer take part, you cannot be put back in as a replacement.

all me and the others are saying is this: moderation should be consistent and within the rules of the game

It was consistent. One mafia was replaced and one townie was replaced 

yes, but the townie who was replaced was done so in breach of the rules.

also, more anti-town roles were modkilled than pro-town roles.

and if you take one action to deal with a inactive player, that should be how you deal with all of them, or it is inconsistent.



trangentspree on 16 March 2010

Day 8 begin!



dsister44 on 16 March 2010

vote c03n3nj0

I investigated him. He is guilty



c03n3nj0 on 16 March 2010
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Too lazy to quote you scifi, and chrome sucks sooo

1. But dtewi was active, unlike the mafia members who got modkilled. It's way worse to lose an active player than someone who's dead weight anyway, wouldn't you agree?

2. Okay, let's say he didn't choose dsister? Who would be there to replace him that hasn't played yet? Would the mod just stop the game so he could search for someone who was willing to play? No, they all already signed up in the beginning of the game.

And besides, dsister was the only one of ya that said he was available.

1. so what? he said he could no longer play (therefore making him inactive from that point on)

2. given what had happend before then, in this game, the mod should have modkilled dtwei

3. I dont recall being asked or even having it suggested to me, I have been both online and keeping fairly up to date with this game since I died, though I dont ask to cheat and go back in as I respect the rules.

1. What do you mean so what? He was active through the game. For example seraphic didn't even play from the get-go, he's basically dead weight that won't help his mafia family at all. 

dtewi, was doing something at least, it would've hurt the town more to lose him. The only reason the mafia got hurt was because nearly half of them weren't playing at all. I guess no one would've cared if they were townies....

2. Someone was replaced already? Okay, why would he modkill dtewi then? And besides, I'm usre the person who got filled in already had the intention of playing. 

3. Silly point, it would've bene useless to ask you.



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