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trangentspree on 15 March 2010
c03n3nj0 said:
trangentspree said:
axumblade said:
trangentspree said:
No doubt Axum found the last two days entertaining with what he knew about Zexen and myself.

lol. I deduced that you or zexen were the SK. Once I discovered that trashleg was mafia, I figured she was the last one. The last few nights, I was just picking between other people who I thought were suspicious. :D

I loved when everyone was under the suspicion about darths nightkill going through. Also, i did find it kind of unfair that there were 4 mafia on the other team though...until almost of them were modkilled. e.e The mafia was pretty useless. I felt bad about nen dying since him and trashleg were the only people who would have talked in this game.... lol.

I'm intrigued. What led you to that deduction?

He could've thought I was the SK

But that's impossible 

I just wanted to be a nurse.



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dsister44 on 15 March 2010
Final-Fan said:
Look you guys, there's plenty to complain about regarding this game (even if TOS isn't to blame for it) but your specific complaint of
-- choice of dsister for the replacement of dtewi
is just laughable IMO. You can complain about the fact that the cop was one of only two people to get a replacement, but complaining about dsister being the one to replace him is just dumb IMO. dsister had ZERO information about the game, just his observations. Unless he had non-kosher information (like being a mafia/mason/talking to other dead people with such info) I fail to see the difference between him getting the role and some other person who had not been in the game at all.

Falcon -- dsister did not get "revived".

Personally IMO this game was a disaster but very little of that can be laid at TOS's feet. When half the players quit, it's really their fault for the problems that creates.

Actually I did know one thing other people didn't. I knew that Sabby couldn't have been the serial killer. but that didn't do me much good once I got back into the game 



SciFiBoy on 15 March 2010
c03n3nj0 said:
Falcon095 said:
SciFiBoy said:
trangentspree said:

Especially when all the lurkers had power roles, that held up the nighttime as well. It must have been horrible to moderate that.

I think there just needs to be zero tolerance for lurking - a mafia-ban for people who signed up for the game and then did nothing with no given excuse, and a backup list to replace players that leave or get removed.

the rules of the game should also apply to everyone, so if you die, you stay dead, unless your role allows otherwise.

This. If you modkill somebody for doing X, unless it makes the game unbalanced, you must kill everybody who does that too. If you revived a player from 1 team, you need to revive another player of the other team too.

But it would'nt have made sense if he revived a mafia with dsister because we already knew he was cop. That's an instant death for the revived person. 

Even in games where we didn't know who was the good guy, it would narrow it down to two persons instantly.

I'm guessing a back-up list for players would be useful at that point, then the swapping could be done in secret... for anti or pro-town...


the key point here is what ive said like 50 times now: the rules of the game should apply to all, if you die, you are dead, you cant re-enter the game unless you have a role that allows you to.

its like in a football match, you dont put the red carded player BACK on the pitch to set up the winning goal for his team, its CHEATING.



c03n3nj0 on 15 March 2010
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Falcon095 said:
SciFiBoy said:
trangentspree said:

Especially when all the lurkers had power roles, that held up the nighttime as well. It must have been horrible to moderate that.

I think there just needs to be zero tolerance for lurking - a mafia-ban for people who signed up for the game and then did nothing with no given excuse, and a backup list to replace players that leave or get removed.

the rules of the game should also apply to everyone, so if you die, you stay dead, unless your role allows otherwise.

This. If you modkill somebody for doing X, unless it makes the game unbalanced, you must kill everybody who does that too. If you revived a player from 1 team, you need to revive another player of the other team too.

But it would'nt have made sense if he revived a mafia with dsister because we already knew he was cop. That's an instant death for the revived person. 

Even in games where we didn't know who was the good guy, it would narrow it down to two persons instantly.

I'm guessing a back-up list for players would be useful at that point, then the swapping could be done in secret... for anti or pro-town...


the key point here is what ive said like 50 times now: the rules of the game should apply to all, if you die, you are dead, you cant re-enter the game unless you have a role that allows you to.

its like in a football match, you dont put the red carded player BACK on the pitch to set up the winning goal for his team, its CHEATING.

But dsister never "re-entered," as his old role, at least, he filled in the shoes of dtewi, who would've stayed in the game if not for computer problems. 

Think of it as this: I'm playing brawl and I have to go to the bathroom, so I give the controller to the guy next to me so he plays as me. 



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trangentspree on 15 March 2010
axumblade said:
trangentspree said:
axumblade said:
trangentspree said:
No doubt Axum found the last two days entertaining with what he knew about Zexen and myself.

lol. I deduced that you or zexen were the SK. Once I discovered that trashleg was mafia, I figured she was the last one. The last few nights, I was just picking between other people who I thought were suspicious. :D

I loved when everyone was under the suspicion about darths nightkill going through. Also, i did find it kind of unfair that there were 4 mafia on the other team though...until almost of them were modkilled. e.e The mafia was pretty useless. I felt bad about nen dying since him and trashleg were the only people who would have talked in this game.... lol.

I'm intrigued. What led you to that deduction?

It was the way the two of you carried yourselves in the game. I was also thinking it was possible for j0 to be scum because he kept pointing at me randomly in the game. I am just glad the "WoW is the SK" idea stuck lol. :D

 

COMRADES IN SCUM!!!! :D



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SciFiBoy on 15 March 2010
c03n3nj0 said:
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Falcon095 said:
SciFiBoy said:
trangentspree said:

Especially when all the lurkers had power roles, that held up the nighttime as well. It must have been horrible to moderate that.

I think there just needs to be zero tolerance for lurking - a mafia-ban for people who signed up for the game and then did nothing with no given excuse, and a backup list to replace players that leave or get removed.

the rules of the game should also apply to everyone, so if you die, you stay dead, unless your role allows otherwise.

This. If you modkill somebody for doing X, unless it makes the game unbalanced, you must kill everybody who does that too. If you revived a player from 1 team, you need to revive another player of the other team too.

But it would'nt have made sense if he revived a mafia with dsister because we already knew he was cop. That's an instant death for the revived person. 

Even in games where we didn't know who was the good guy, it would narrow it down to two persons instantly.

I'm guessing a back-up list for players would be useful at that point, then the swapping could be done in secret... for anti or pro-town...


the key point here is what ive said like 50 times now: the rules of the game should apply to all, if you die, you are dead, you cant re-enter the game unless you have a role that allows you to.

its like in a football match, you dont put the red carded player BACK on the pitch to set up the winning goal for his team, its CHEATING.

But dsister never "re-entered," as his old role, at least, he filled in the shoes of dtewi, who would've stayed in the game if not for computer problems. 

Think of it as this: I'm playing brawl and I have to go to the bathroom, so I give the controller to the guy next to me so he plays as me. 

he DID re-enter...

dsister was sent off (killed)
he then came back on as a substitue for dtewi (should have been modkilled)
he then helped his team win.

how is that NOT cheating?

as for your analogy: is the guy next to you someone who already lost in the game? are there another set of guys behind him who also already lost who you ignored when you gave him the controller? are you playing a team game? are the other team given a say in what youre doing? have the other team had players leave and not been able to hand there controller to someone next to them?



c03n3nj0 on 15 March 2010
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Falcon095 said:
SciFiBoy said:
trangentspree said:

Especially when all the lurkers had power roles, that held up the nighttime as well. It must have been horrible to moderate that.

I think there just needs to be zero tolerance for lurking - a mafia-ban for people who signed up for the game and then did nothing with no given excuse, and a backup list to replace players that leave or get removed.

the rules of the game should also apply to everyone, so if you die, you stay dead, unless your role allows otherwise.

This. If you modkill somebody for doing X, unless it makes the game unbalanced, you must kill everybody who does that too. If you revived a player from 1 team, you need to revive another player of the other team too.

But it would'nt have made sense if he revived a mafia with dsister because we already knew he was cop. That's an instant death for the revived person. 

Even in games where we didn't know who was the good guy, it would narrow it down to two persons instantly.

I'm guessing a back-up list for players would be useful at that point, then the swapping could be done in secret... for anti or pro-town...


the key point here is what ive said like 50 times now: the rules of the game should apply to all, if you die, you are dead, you cant re-enter the game unless you have a role that allows you to.

its like in a football match, you dont put the red carded player BACK on the pitch to set up the winning goal for his team, its CHEATING.

But dsister never "re-entered," as his old role, at least, he filled in the shoes of dtewi, who would've stayed in the game if not for computer problems. 

Think of it as this: I'm playing brawl and I have to go to the bathroom, so I give the controller to the guy next to me so he plays as me. 

he DID re-enter...

dsister was sent off (killed)
he then came back on as a substitue for dtewi (should have been modkilled)
he then helped his team win.

how is that NOT cheating?

Didn't dtewi publicly say he was gonna be out for a while because of said computer problems?

It's A LOT better than not posting in the game at all, for no reason besides apathy. 



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SciFiBoy on 15 March 2010
c03n3nj0 said:
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
SciFiBoy said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Falcon095 said:
SciFiBoy said:
trangentspree said:

Especially when all the lurkers had power roles, that held up the nighttime as well. It must have been horrible to moderate that.

I think there just needs to be zero tolerance for lurking - a mafia-ban for people who signed up for the game and then did nothing with no given excuse, and a backup list to replace players that leave or get removed.

the rules of the game should also apply to everyone, so if you die, you stay dead, unless your role allows otherwise.

This. If you modkill somebody for doing X, unless it makes the game unbalanced, you must kill everybody who does that too. If you revived a player from 1 team, you need to revive another player of the other team too.

But it would'nt have made sense if he revived a mafia with dsister because we already knew he was cop. That's an instant death for the revived person. 

Even in games where we didn't know who was the good guy, it would narrow it down to two persons instantly.

I'm guessing a back-up list for players would be useful at that point, then the swapping could be done in secret... for anti or pro-town...


the key point here is what ive said like 50 times now: the rules of the game should apply to all, if you die, you are dead, you cant re-enter the game unless you have a role that allows you to.

its like in a football match, you dont put the red carded player BACK on the pitch to set up the winning goal for his team, its CHEATING.

But dsister never "re-entered," as his old role, at least, he filled in the shoes of dtewi, who would've stayed in the game if not for computer problems. 

Think of it as this: I'm playing brawl and I have to go to the bathroom, so I give the controller to the guy next to me so he plays as me. 

he DID re-enter...

dsister was sent off (killed)
he then came back on as a substitue for dtewi (should have been modkilled)
he then helped his team win.

how is that NOT cheating?

Didn't dtewi publicly say he was gonna be out for a while because of said computer problems?

It's A LOT better than not posting in the game at all, for no reason besides apathy. 

he left the game...so he should have been modkilled like others who were in that position were.



c03n3nj0 on 15 March 2010

Anyways, it happened, no point in arguing about it still.

Next game it's settled that there's gonna be a back-up list for people who would want to play.

Now, who's gonna be mod for next game? TruckO willing to retry it?  



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trangentspree on 15 March 2010

^

Also is everyone in favour of there being two separate and smaller games, to make sure the next game is a lot shorter?

(Therefore requiring two mods.)

Personally I would like it, but I don't mind either way.