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Alic0004 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
BMaker11 said:
Fumanchu said:
I must have imagined Sony buying the publishing rights and timed-exclusivity period for Ghostbusters.

Sony kinda owns that franchise.......

Though they did pay for timed exclusivity.

Which is part of the ridiculiousness of Sony.

The divisions seem like rival siblings who hate each other. They never want to work together.

I mean... why is Ghostbusters even on 360 or Wii to begin with?

Simple, they evaluate as a whole that it would benefit Sony more to release a multi platform title and earn royalties than to keep it a console exclusives. It has nothing to do with a division wanted to make better profit whatever the consequences for the whole company.

 

You're just making things up, aren't you?

? I dont understand your assumption, it only makes sense that when you have educated employees working in a company, they take the best decision to favorise their whole company.



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Should I be disappointed at sony or not? I miss third party exclusives.



Fumanchu said:
I must have imagined Sony buying the publishing rights and timed-exclusivity period for Ghostbusters.

isnt it because they own the movie, so y not? 



Masakari said:
makingmusic476 said:
Masakari said:
Actually, if anything it's Sony that detracts from the mix, because you absolutely need to buy a PS3 to play them, you have no other option.

With a lot of MS exclusives, you can either get a PC version, or wait, like, 1 year to get it on PS3. Gamers have other options other than 360.

I have both a 360 and PS3, so it really doesn't affect me, but saying Sony is adding and MS subtracting it is a load of bs. And I see the only platform you don't have listed below your avatar is a 360, so I guess I know where that comment came from.

Without Sony, some of these games wouldn't exist at all, or at least not in near the state they do currently.  That's not detracting from anything.  Yeah, you need a ps3 to play them, but it's better than nobody getting to play them.  That's where my entire point comes from.

And I didn't say Sony only adds nor that Microsoft only subtracts from this equation.  I only pointed out the difference between what Sony and MS does as highlighted in the OP and in Seece's first post.  Both companies do their share of creating new content and inhibiting the availability of content.  Sony screwed people over by making Ghostbuters timed exclusive in Europe, and Microsoft had a heavy hand in creating one of the best new IPs of this generation, Gears of War.  Remove Sony from the equation and more people would've gotten to play Ghostbusters sooner, which is good.  Remove MS from the equation and Gears of War would not have been the technical showcase for 360 it ended up being, which is bad.

Helping to create new content for gamers to play = awesome
Inhibiting the availability of content from gamers = sucks

Two completely different strategies, one that's great and what that isn't.  Doesn't matter who does it, one sucks, and the only reason Sony doesn't do the latter as much as they used to is because they now have enough first party studios that they don't feel the need to.  Last gen they were moneyhatting left and right.

Also, attacking the poster instead of attacking the argument shows a bit about you, too.  ;)

It's still a load of bs and you know it. I had already said Sony risks more because they fund smaller, "out of the box" devs, like the Heavy Rain and LBP guys. However, they own the IP thus potentially reap bigger benefits in the long run, both aproaches are valid.

And MS benefits next to nothing for PC. They don't get royalties. Windows isn't marketed for games, Games for Windows has done nothing for sales, nor will it ever do in it's current state. Nobody is gonna say "ohh, i'm gonna buy Windows 7 because of X game", they will buy Windows because they will buy a PC, there's no competition. You can buy an Apple, but that's not a PC, and has pluses and minuses, and people who do aren't that big into "regular" gaming.

And actually, without MS we wouldn't have Gears, Mass Effect, the GTA4 DLC, and Fable, among others.

Like I said, I have a PS3 AND a 360, any exclusivity doesn't affect me, but this isn't a 360 defending post, your post is just like someone said before, sugarcoating and bs, and clearly meant to show Sony in a more positive color for no reason. They both do the same thing through different methods, and I don't consider any one method better, it's just business. Exclusives are exclusives, that's why we have different platforms. Without exclusives what would be the point? Saying Sony screwed anyone over because they paid to get Ghostbusters timed is ridiculous, that's just business, you wanted GB? Buy a PS3 or wait. Same thing with MS stuff.

Just market, just business, and saying otherwise is bs. Sony isn't doing anyone favors by "helping to create new content for gamers", they just want to make money and will do whatever it takes. Case in point: Ghostbusters.

Did you even read my post?   I said that both companies take part in both practices, and I said the same damn thing you said in your post in mine (compare the bolded/underlined).

Also, I never mentioned PC gaming, so I don't know what your second paragraph is even about.

I get the feeling you're arguing just to argue at this point.



Gearbox said:
Fumanchu said:
I must have imagined Sony buying the publishing rights and timed-exclusivity period for Ghostbusters.

isnt it because they own the movie, so y not? 

Yes Sony own the license rights from buying Columbia Pictures.  Still this doesn't change the fact that the game was scheduled for simultaneous multi-platform release, until Sony intervened by buying the publishing rights to release the game in Europe on the Sony consoles first.  I'm guessing that instead of Atari paying for licensing fees/royalties that they cut Sony a deal.  

 

 



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Icyedge said:
Alic0004 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
BMaker11 said:
Fumanchu said:
I must have imagined Sony buying the publishing rights and timed-exclusivity period for Ghostbusters.

Sony kinda owns that franchise.......

Though they did pay for timed exclusivity.

Which is part of the ridiculiousness of Sony.

The divisions seem like rival siblings who hate each other. They never want to work together.

I mean... why is Ghostbusters even on 360 or Wii to begin with?

Simple, they evaluate as a whole that it would benefit Sony more to release a multi platform title and earn royalties than to keep it a console exclusives. It has nothing to do with a division wanted to make better profit whatever the consequences for the whole company.

 

You're just making things up, aren't you?

? I dont understand your assumption, it only makes sense that when you have educated employees working in a company, they take the best decision to favorise their whole company.

Companies make decisions that seem ridiculous to observers on message boards all the time. You were assuming they had to be thinking a certain way just because it makes the most sense to you. Without any sources to go on. And you made it sound like you were explaining how it clearly must work. In other words, you were making up an explanation, based on some quick logic... right? Sorry if it sounded like I was picking on you, in retrospect my post sounds rather snarky.

 

I think the reality is probably more complicated. The game is published by Atari, so there was likely some kind of agreement that took place early on in the development of the game, which made it so that Sony as a company couldn't suddenly keep the game from being released just because they suddenly wanted it for themselves. Early on, the game probably wasn't considered such an important factor that its exclusivity was more important than the reinvigoration of the IP and the liscensing money Sony got. If that's the case, it was a judgement call which they very well may have regretted later. But of course, I'm just guessing.



 

Seraphic_Sixaxis said:

Huh?

Don't know where this thread is going, but im going to make things simple and say...

I can now play games like Star Ocean: The Last Hope and Bioshock 1 and 2 on my PS3, that makes me a happy gamer. (Former payed for exclusives for whatever reason MS may have had.)

And if i so chose to, i could play Final Fantasy XIII on my 360 now, aswell games like DMC4, GTA and what not, all former PlayStation brand exclusives.

The only thing i see here is, per se, sony invests on 2nd party and 1st party exclusives and rarely if at all ever on 3rd part games, so in that sense i so no hypocrisy whats so ever, however MS has been known to pay for 3rd party exclusiveity in the past, be it for funding reasons or what have you.

basiclly speaking, MS has had a semi-bad habit this gen by having many timed exclusives left and right, im sure Sony has done this to aswell even though i personally dont know of any, but for the most part there goal has been working on 2nd and 1st party exclusives overall.

the only 3rd party game that i can think of that is a complete shot in the dark is Versus XIII, but even that is a big IF because we know nearly nothing about it.

In conclusion... in my honest opinion, as far as console exclusives go, i believe both MS and Sony from the get go should have 100% reinforced 2nd and 1st part support instead of securing 3rd party titles, that way everyone is happy as far as 3rd parties go.

However... again, just my opinion here... confirmed or not, MS has most likely handed large sums of money to guys like Square enix, Bioware, Valve and the like to some kind of extent.

They shouldn't have done that, because now most are available on PC and/or PS3, if MS would have made games like Lost Planet and Bioshock 2nd party exclusives secured like Sony did with Demons Souls and White Knight Chronicles it would be a whole differnt ball game.

The only 2nd part titles i can think of that MS fully funded, published and supported were LO from mistwalker and IU from Tri-ace/SE oh and maybe gears of war and awesome effect to but those also seem to be strong 2nd party MS only IP's however i dont know who publishs them so im not 100% sure on this...

Pfft... at anyrate, theres a fine line between 100% support of games over funding support of games, if the IP still belongs to the 3rd or 2nd party publishers there so called "exclusveity contract" is up in the air. it all comes down to greed in the end, though exclusives DO matter.

For example i bought my 360 mainly for Star Ocean: the last hope, but also Bioshock 1 and Lost Planet aswell as Awesome Effect and a few other Niche exclusives games like IU and Project Slypheed...

Present day nearly all of the above is now on PS3, the only ones that could be counted as semi-non official 2nd party and 3rd party IP's are IU, ME Franchise, Project Slypheed, DoA Extreme, N3 Franchise, Guilty Gear 2, Kingdom under fire, and quite afew more that i forget.

Long story short, hypocrisy or no, exclusives define any kind of platform, and i believe both MS and Sony has done a fine job at acquiring them, they've exchanged blow for blow this gen, MS got lots of original playstation only franchises such as Devil may cry, Grand theft auto, Final fantasy, Star ocean, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Guilty Gear while Sony took many of 360's NEW IP former titan "thought to be exclusive" games such as bioshock, lost planet, enchanted arms, eternal sonata, etc, etc... along with taking back former 360 exclusives such as star ocean and vesperia.

Damn that was alot of typing and im normally to lazy to do that, so i hope we can all agree that everyone gets a little hypocrital sometimes, well alot when it comes to making money so obviously they'll throw all kinds of words around.

When all is said and done, each consoles has its own wonderful list of exclusives while still having alot of 3rd party support on both considering the Wii is way ahead, in my opinion i find it a blessing they the dual HD's are still getting alot of major big franchise names rather then jthe dev's and companies flocking to highest selling console this gen.

Enjoy your great games gents, and dont ponder on what should be reinforcement towards owning one or both HD consoles.

thank you for your time gents.

Sony today isnt very keen on buying third party exclusive but they were doing this alot back in the ps1/2 days hence why we are calling them hypocrites.



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jesus kung fu magic said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:

Huh?

Don't know where this thread is going, but im going to make things simple and say...

I can now play games like Star Ocean: The Last Hope and Bioshock 1 and 2 on my PS3, that makes me a happy gamer. (Former payed for exclusives for whatever reason MS may have had.)

And if i so chose to, i could play Final Fantasy XIII on my 360 now, aswell games like DMC4, GTA and what not, all former PlayStation brand exclusives.

The only thing i see here is, per se, sony invests on 2nd party and 1st party exclusives and rarely if at all ever on 3rd part games, so in that sense i so no hypocrisy whats so ever, however MS has been known to pay for 3rd party exclusiveity in the past, be it for funding reasons or what have you.

basiclly speaking, MS has had a semi-bad habit this gen by having many timed exclusives left and right, im sure Sony has done this to aswell even though i personally dont know of any, but for the most part there goal has been working on 2nd and 1st party exclusives overall.

the only 3rd party game that i can think of that is a complete shot in the dark is Versus XIII, but even that is a big IF because we know nearly nothing about it.

In conclusion... in my honest opinion, as far as console exclusives go, i believe both MS and Sony from the get go should have 100% reinforced 2nd and 1st part support instead of securing 3rd party titles, that way everyone is happy as far as 3rd parties go.

However... again, just my opinion here... confirmed or not, MS has most likely handed large sums of money to guys like Square enix, Bioware, Valve and the like to some kind of extent.

They shouldn't have done that, because now most are available on PC and/or PS3, if MS would have made games like Lost Planet and Bioshock 2nd party exclusives secured like Sony did with Demons Souls and White Knight Chronicles it would be a whole differnt ball game.

The only 2nd part titles i can think of that MS fully funded, published and supported were LO from mistwalker and IU from Tri-ace/SE oh and maybe gears of war and awesome effect to but those also seem to be strong 2nd party MS only IP's however i dont know who publishs them so im not 100% sure on this...

Pfft... at anyrate, theres a fine line between 100% support of games over funding support of games, if the IP still belongs to the 3rd or 2nd party publishers there so called "exclusveity contract" is up in the air. it all comes down to greed in the end, though exclusives DO matter.

For example i bought my 360 mainly for Star Ocean: the last hope, but also Bioshock 1 and Lost Planet aswell as Awesome Effect and a few other Niche exclusives games like IU and Project Slypheed...

Present day nearly all of the above is now on PS3, the only ones that could be counted as semi-non official 2nd party and 3rd party IP's are IU, ME Franchise, Project Slypheed, DoA Extreme, N3 Franchise, Guilty Gear 2, Kingdom under fire, and quite afew more that i forget.

Long story short, hypocrisy or no, exclusives define any kind of platform, and i believe both MS and Sony has done a fine job at acquiring them, they've exchanged blow for blow this gen, MS got lots of original playstation only franchises such as Devil may cry, Grand theft auto, Final fantasy, Star ocean, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Guilty Gear while Sony took many of 360's NEW IP former titan "thought to be exclusive" games such as bioshock, lost planet, enchanted arms, eternal sonata, etc, etc... along with taking back former 360 exclusives such as star ocean and vesperia.

Damn that was alot of typing and im normally to lazy to do that, so i hope we can all agree that everyone gets a little hypocrital sometimes, well alot when it comes to making money so obviously they'll throw all kinds of words around.

When all is said and done, each consoles has its own wonderful list of exclusives while still having alot of 3rd party support on both considering the Wii is way ahead, in my opinion i find it a blessing they the dual HD's are still getting alot of major big franchise names rather then jthe dev's and companies flocking to highest selling console this gen.

Enjoy your great games gents, and dont ponder on what should be reinforcement towards owning one or both HD consoles.

thank you for your time gents.

Sony today isnt very keen on buying third party exclusive but they were doing this alot back in the ps1/2 days hence why we are calling them hypocrites.

Ah, i thought you guys were talking this gen, okay i agree then, they had a bigass monopoly the last two gens, in which case they are hypocrites.



Fumanchu said:
Gearbox said:
Fumanchu said:
I must have imagined Sony buying the publishing rights and timed-exclusivity period for Ghostbusters.

isnt it because they own the movie, so y not? 

Yes Sony own the license rights from buying Columbia Pictures.  Still this doesn't change the fact that the game was scheduled for simultaneous multi-platform release, until Sony intervened by buying the publishing rights to release the game in Europe on the Sony consoles first.  I'm guessing that instead of Atari paying for licensing fees/royalties that they cut Sony a deal.  

 

 

It could have been that the game was delayed because Atari's European publishing arm was being absorbed by Bandai Namco (http://www.edge-online.com/news/namco-bandai-to-swallow-atari-europe ).  The article was written May 14, 2009.  The game was published in Europe in November 2009 for non-PS platforms, and released in June 2009 in Europe for PS platforms and for NA.  Isn't it possible that the game was delayed in EU (due to change of ownership), and Sony offered to publish the PS platform games on time, instead of having them be delayed too?  I mean, Ghostbusters wasn't exactly going to be a system seller, and I don't see why Sony would offer money for a timed exclusive.  But it could have been worthwhile to pick up publishing rights and get the game released on schedule, instead of delaying it like the other versions.

But by all means, if you have a link showing any evidence that Sony paid to have the other games delayed, show it to me.



Jeez wasn't that nice of Sony just "offering" to publish the game in Europe and I guess it was Namco Bandai that insisted that the other completed 'gold' versions of the game just sit there. Give me a break what do you want a smoking gun??