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Kasz216 on 29 January 2010
Khuutra said:
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
johnsobas said:

When they brought FF4 to the west they made it way easier than the Japanese version, that's why everyone on here is saying that it is so easy.  The Japanese version is more like the DS game, i think the DS one might actually be a little harder than that even though.

I think the GBA remake was supposed to restore it to its original Japanese difficulty, and the DS remake made it even a little harder than that (but tried to make up for it with all the crazy new skills).

I thought the crazy new skils were in the original japanese version and the only new addition player wise was that weird minigame character.  Can't say though, haven't played the japanese FF4.

Rubang has the right of it. FF4j was very hard. FF2us was much easier.

FF4 GBA restored the game to its original difficulty.

FF4 DS ramped it up even further, adding Abilities partially to compensate (they do not compensate enough in most cases, the game is still harder)

Huh.  Damn you final Fantasy wiki.  I knew the GBA made FF4 harder, but it gave me the impression everyone had the extra skills already in FF4J.



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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 29 January 2010

btw was mp still taken out or what?



The Ghost of RubangB on 29 January 2010

Whoa, I was right? I just looked it up too.



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Bruno Muñoz on 29 January 2010

Another Famitsu joke list?



Ravage27 on 29 January 2010

i sure hope this doesn't start a trend of RPGs shipping without towns and freedom to explore.



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lestatdark on 29 January 2010
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
lestatdark said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:

If popularity =/= better game, then why is anyone making a big deal of these polls then?  And why are you working so hard to make sure Final Fantasy is looking more popular than Pokemon?

We can go rattling on about sales and polls all day.  In the end, it will come down to opinion.  Dragon Quest and Pokemon are the two best selling (and most will say popular) RPGs in Japan.  Final Fantasy XIII is popular right now for sure, cuz it just came out.  But if this was 4 months ago, Pokemon would have been on everyones mind and probably way high in the poll, because it just released.

That's the entire thing, I'm not working hard to make sure FF is looking more popular than pokemon. I strongly suggest you read my first comment on this thread, regarding the validity and timing of this poll.

I'm just saying that a factual poll of the best games of all time, won't be full of pokemon games in the top 20, nor will it be full of FF games, nor will it be full of DQ games.

Also you have still not answered my question. If pokemon is so popular, and it equals so much of a good game, then why isn't it on that list, when there are games there that came out much time before than the recent pokemon game? I can site a few good examples like SMT: Persona 4, MGS4, Yakuza 3, MHF:U, ToV. And this is considering out the FF games and the DQ game in that poll. 

I don't answer questions that were put in the form of a challenge with only one acceptable answer.  Especially when it is so clearly based on a persons personal tastes.

However, again, considering Japan has already done multiple 'best ever' polls and you can clearly see the results, I don't know how you can say games like Dragon Quest, Pokemon and Final Fantasy wouldn't be on them.  Just because you think they shouldn't be doesn't mean the majority of Japan doesn't, as the link given above shows.  Seven of the top Ten games are nothing but Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest titles.

1 - It's not about personal taste, you were the one who claimed, more popularity = better game, when you mentioned pokemon in your first post. The only one who has been using personal tastes has been you during this entire discussion, stop pinning this on me. If you can't answer a basic question, then that's fine by me.

2 - And please, for the love of everything sacred, stop putting words in my mouth and stop spinning your own words. Zex had already shown you a poll from before, and in the top tier you can only find Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, you had to scroll down to the Top 51-100 games to find a pokemon game. You claimed this. in your first post: "They sure can't make up their mind. Until they do the 'best games ever' polls. Then you see nearly all Dragon Quest and Pokemon games in the top 20 with only one or two Final Fantasy games." Now you're saying that it should be full of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest? I think you should also make up your mind

Also, when did I ever say that DQ, Pokemon or FF games wouldn't be on them? These are my exact words: "I'm just saying that a factual poll of the best games of all time, won't be full of pokemon games in the top 20, nor will it be full of FF games, nor will it be full of DQ games." Never did I say that it wouldn't have Dragon Quest, Pokemon or FF games. But what about Zelda, Mario, Metroid and so many other favourite and popular games in Japan? And other JRPG's as well, like Persona 4 or Suikoden III or Kingdom Hearts, which are immensely popular in Japan too, just to name a few? 

Again, i'm not the one who's taking this to personal tastes, i'm trying to be as factual and level-headed as I can be, but don't go twisting my words again, because I have your statements and mine in our conversations, and I shall take it to the proper autorities, should you continue to pursue that course of action.



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no1goes on 29 January 2010

It was confirmed FFF13 is the best game ever



Wagram on 29 January 2010

Yes MP has been taken out. You can cast spells as much as you want but I has a down time, similar of that of FFXI.

To me this list says that Final Fantasy XIII is the best game in recent memory. Like I said earlier, it is best to re-do this list in a couple years to see how it does after some time of being out. I'm sure it will be a kick ass game.

Also Perpride, at least you won 1/2 of your bet. :)

(Also Mass Effect 2 is really not a WRPG, I don't understand how it even got classed as that. So your best RPG of the 7th gen may still hold true)



Seraphic_Sixaxis on 29 January 2010
Wagram said:

Yes MP has been taken out. You can cast spells as much as you want but I has a down time, similar of that of FFXI.

To me this list says that Final Fantasy XIII is the best game in recent memory. Like I said earlier, it is best to re-do this list in a couple years to see how it does after some time of being out. I'm sure it will be a kick ass game.

Also Perpride, at least you won 1/2 of your bet. :)

(Also Mass Effect 2 is really not a WRPG, I don't understand how it even got classed as that. So your best RPG of the 7th gen may still hold true)

So... no MP to? ... how about "Levels" did that atleast keep that? i mean damn even FFX and XII have that.



zexen_lowe on 29 January 2010
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
Wagram said:

Yes MP has been taken out. You can cast spells as much as you want but I has a down time, similar of that of FFXI.

To me this list says that Final Fantasy XIII is the best game in recent memory. Like I said earlier, it is best to re-do this list in a couple years to see how it does after some time of being out. I'm sure it will be a kick ass game.

Also Perpride, at least you won 1/2 of your bet. :)

(Also Mass Effect 2 is really not a WRPG, I don't understand how it even got classed as that. So your best RPG of the 7th gen may still hold true)

So... no MP to? ... how about "Levels" did that atleast keep that? i mean damn even FFX and XII have that.

Really? FFX had levels?