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1. It will take ticket count from Titanic as well.
2. Its an even bigger issue considering the fact that its 3D ticket sales that are pushing it. First time ever that a 3D variant has outsold 2D.



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RageBot said:
It's a shame that simply because it is in 3D, and the dark knight wasn't (or Return of the king), Avatar will gross more money.

That's totally bold. It costs 2$ more for 3D. It would still have beaten The Dark Knight a long time ago. And Avatar deserves more anyway.



I doubt anything will approach Gone with the Wind in Ticket Sales though over 280,000,000 but it will be nice to see something knock Titanic down a spot.



Wow, didn't realize that the Avatar hype machine was that big. I feel odd now since I haven't seen it. Weird blue people in 3D are hardly my idea of a great movie experience



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darklich13 said:

I prefer this list adjusted for inflation

Rank Title (click to view) Studio Adjusted Gross Unadjusted Gross Year^
1 Gone with the Wind MGM $1,485,028,000 $198,676,459 1939^
2 Star Wars Fox $1,309,179,000 $460,998,007 1977^
3 The Sound of Music Fox $1,046,753,000 $158,671,368 1965
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $1,042,629,400 $435,110,554 1982^
5 The Ten Commandments Par. $962,850,000 $65,500,000 1956
6 Titanic Par. $943,342,300 $600,788,188 1997
7 Jaws Uni. $941,379,300 $260,000,000 1975
8 Doctor Zhivago MGM $912,395,600 $111,721,910 1965
9 The Exorcist WB $812,679,700 $232,671,011 1973^
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis. $801,150,000 $184,925,486 1937^
11 101 Dalmatians Dis. $734,391,800 $144,880,014 1961^
12 The Empire Strikes Back Fox $721,627,700 $290,475,067 1980^
13 Ben-Hur MGM $720,300,000 $74,000,000 1959
14 Return of the Jedi Fox $691,336,700 $309,306,177 1983^
15 The Sting Uni. $655,200,000 $156,000,000 1973
16 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par. $647,842,600 $242,374,454 1981^
17 Jurassic Park Uni. $633,612,900 $357,067,947 1993
18 The Graduate AVCO $628,949,700 $104,901,839 1967^
19 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $623,469,700 $431,088,301 1999
20 Fantasia Dis. $610,369,600 $76,408,097 1941^
21 The Godfather Par. $580,080,900 $134,966,411 1972^
22 Forrest Gump Par. $577,310,300 $329,694,499 1994
23 Mary Poppins Dis. $574,636,400 $102,272,727 1964^
24 The Lion King BV $567,653,700 $328,541,776 1994^
25 Grease Par. $565,374,900 $188,389,888 1978^
26 Thunderball UA $549,780,000 $63,595,658 1965
27 The Dark Knight WB $545,973,300 $533,345,358 2008
28 The Jungle Book Dis. $541,547,400 $141,843,612 1967^
29 Sleeping Beauty Dis. $534,169,000 $51,600,000 1959^
30 Shrek 2 DW $522,224,300 $441,226,247 2004
31 Ghostbusters Col. $519,870,000 $238,632,124 1984^
32 Avatar Fox $519,567,500 $512,852,205 2009
33 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Fox $518,600,200 $102,308,889 1969
34 Love Story Par. $514,486,400 $106,397,186 1970
35 Spider-Man Sony $510,712,900 $403,706,375 2002
36 Independence Day Fox $509,126,200 $306,169,268 1996
37 Home Alone Fox $497,846,400 $285,761,243 1990
38 Pinocchio Dis. $495,414,500 $84,254,167 1940^
39 Cleopatra (1963) Fox $493,798,400 $57,777,778 1963
40 Beverly Hills Cop Par. $493,552,600 $234,760,478 1984
41 Goldfinger UA $487,305,000 $51,081,062 1964
42 Airport Uni. $485,917,900 $100,489,151 1970
43 American Graffiti Uni. $483,000,000 $115,000,000 1973
44 The Robe Fox $481,090,900 $36,000,000 1953
45 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $475,018,500 $423,315,812 2006
46 Around the World in 80 Days UA $474,923,100 $42,000,000 1956
47 Bambi RKO $468,286,500 $102,247,150 1942^
48 Blazing Saddles WB $464,722,200 $119,500,000 1974
49 Batman WB $462,716,400 $251,188,924 1989
50 The Bells of St. Mary's RKO $461,176,500 $21,333,333 1945
51 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $452,305,300 $377,027,325 2003
52 The Towering Inferno Fox $451,111,100 $116,000,000 1974
53 Spider-Man 2 Sony $442,166,800 $373,585,825 2004
54 My Fair Lady WB $441,000,000 $72,000,000 1964
55 The Greatest Show on Earth Par. $441,000,000 $36,000,000 1952
56 National Lampoon's Animal House Uni. $440,193,500 $141,600,000 1978^
57 The Passion of the Christ NM $438,830,600 $370,782,930 2004^
58 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $436,035,700 $380,270,577 2005
59 Back to the Future Uni. $434,022,300 $210,609,762 1985
60 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers NL $423,583,600 $341,786,758 2002^
61 The Sixth Sense BV $423,206,600 $293,506,292 1999
62 Superman WB $421,582,200 $134,218,018 1978
63 Tootsie Col. $418,244,000 $177,200,000 1982
64 Smokey and the Bandit Uni. $417,722,000 $126,737,428 1977
65 Finding Nemo BV $414,080,400 $339,714,978 2003
66 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen P/DW $411,632,600 $402,111,870 2009
67 West Side Story MGM $411,381,600 $43,656,822 1961
68 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone WB $410,960,400 $317,575,550 2001
69 Lady and the Tramp Dis. $409,651,400 $93,602,326 1955^
70 Close Encounters of the Third Kind Col. $408,480,200 $132,088,635 1977^
71 Lawrence of Arabia Col. $407,069,100 $44,824,144 1962^
72 The Rocky Horror Picture Show Fox $404,760,300 $112,892,319 1975
73 Rocky UA $404,543,800 $117,235,147 1976
74 The Best Years of Our Lives RKO $404,250,000 $23,650,000 1946
75 The Poseidon Adventure Fox $403,529,400 $84,563,118 1972
76 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring NL $402,073,800 $314,776,170 2001^
77 Twister WB $401,957,700 $241,721,524 1996
78 Men in Black Sony $401,432,600 $250,690,539 1997
79 The Bridge on the River Kwai Col. $399,840,000 $27,200,000 1957
80 It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World MGM $395,984,300 $46,332,858 1963
81 Swiss Family Robinson Dis. $395,488,800 $40,356,000 1960
82 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest UA $394,587,400 $108,981,275 1975
83 M.A.S.H. Fox $394,578,900 $81,600,000 1970
84 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Par. $393,466,200 $179,870,271 1984
85 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones Fox $392,993,300 $310,676,740 2002^
86 Mrs. Doubtfire Fox $387,230,200 $219,195,243 1993
87 Aladdin BV $385,451,300 $217,350,219 1992
88 Ghost Par. $378,269,400 $217,631,306 1990
89 Duel in the Sun Selz. $375,000,000 $20,408,163 1946
90 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl BV $372,269,400 $305,413,918 2003
91 House of Wax WB $371,409,600 $23,750,000 1953
92 Rear Window Par. $370,107,400 $36,764,313 1954^
93 The Lost World: Jurassic Park Uni. $366,838,100 $229,086,679 1997
94 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Par. $363,211,200 $197,171,806 1989
95 Spider-Man 3 Sony $359,520,000 $336,530,303 2007
96 Terminator 2: Judgment Day TriS $357,624,400 $204,843,345 1991
97 Sergeant York WB $353,705,500 $16,361,885 1941
98 How the Grinch Stole Christmas Uni. $353,585,200 $260,044,825 2000
99 Toy Story 2 BV $351,598,400 $245,852,179 1999^
100 Top Gun Par. $350,237,800 $176,786,701 1986

Love this list much better.  Avatar will never be #1 on this list, nor should it.  It's not too hard to cross the once touted 100 mil mark now, not when  you have over 300 mil population in the U.S. and it costs (at least where I live) $10-14 for a normal movie ticket.  For those of you who think Avatar is bigger than any movie based on revenue alone, you need to put it in context.  The average ticket price now is ~$8, back in 1939 (GWTW) it was ~$0.45.  Currently, the population of the U.S. is ~308.5 mil, back in 1939 it was ~ 130.9 mil.  And let's not omit that Avatar opened in ~3,500 theatres, which probably isn't even half of the number of theatres in the US, but is probably more than all the theatres back  in 1939.  The vast majority of those being single screen theatres.  So you can see why putting things in context is important.  Avatar isn't really close to being the most successful movie.

I also hate when people are brought in by hype.  Though with Avatar it's more like blinded by hype.  EVERY single "positive" review (and that's not an exaggeration) always talk about how the story and dialogue are just average, or sometimes even below average, but go for the effects.  "They bridge the gap between what's real and fake."  "It'll change the way we watch movies."  Sorry, but CGI and hype have never gotten me into the theatre and it never will.  And you know what, the effects aren't that great.  Everytime I see an ad I'm like, "What is the fuss about, I can so tell that's fake."  I have seen better CGI in other movies, stuff that actually looks quite real.  And no magical 3-D glasses aren't going to make the effects or story better.  What I find funny, though, is in like 5-10 years when effects are to the point when we truly can't tell they are fake, this movie is going to just fade away in history.  Just remembered for the money it brought in, and nothing else.



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Darklich13, that list that's adjusted for inflation?

It dosn't take into account that the vast, vast majority of ticket sales for many of those movies (including Gone with the Wind) were taken in during re-releases, sometimes decades later. It's not a strictly accurate adjustment chart.



Great for avatar, hope it rises up.



 

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ioi said:

The whole inflation works both ways. Movies like "Gone With the Wind" had far less competition than movies do these days, also re-releases obviously add to tickets sales and so on. Also, DVD, Video, Pirating is much more common these days as are other forms of entertainment (videogames for example) which could be seen as being in competition with movies.

So yes, larger population today, vastly inflated ticket prices vs 1939 or whatever, 3D movies selling at a premium, hype etc - but that doesn't take away from Avatar in my opinion. It has a good shot at $700m uninflated in the US, and well over $2b worldwide - this would easily put it in the top 10-15 movies of alltime in the US and probably top 5 worldwide. And that is without any re-releases.

What impresses me most is that Cameron has two films around $2b (like I say, Avatar could get close to $2.5b before it is finished) while no other film has managed to pass $1.2b. To beat your peers so effortlessly with both Titanic (which doubled any other film at the time) and Avatar (which will double every other film bar Titanic) is an impressive achievement.

I was just going to post this. Times change in more ways than inflation. In my opinion, the inflation is offset by a rental industry, people waiting to see it for cheap in their housholds. TV shows, other forms of entertainment, pirating, obvious other expenditures like college, autos, videogames....not to mention things like restraunts, night life and less of an emphasis on "theaters" as the premiere form of entertainment as was such in the past.



coolbeans said:
steverhcp02 said:
ioi said:

The whole inflation works both ways. Movies like "Gone With the Wind" had far less competition than movies do these days, also re-releases obviously add to tickets sales and so on. Also, DVD, Video, Pirating is much more common these days as are other forms of entertainment (videogames for example) which could be seen as being in competition with movies.

So yes, larger population today, vastly inflated ticket prices vs 1939 or whatever, 3D movies selling at a premium, hype etc - but that doesn't take away from Avatar in my opinion. It has a good shot at $700m uninflated in the US, and well over $2b worldwide - this would easily put it in the top 10-15 movies of alltime in the US and probably top 5 worldwide. And that is without any re-releases.

What impresses me most is that Cameron has two films around $2b (like I say, Avatar could get close to $2.5b before it is finished) while no other film has managed to pass $1.2b. To beat your peers so effortlessly with both Titanic (which doubled any other film at the time) and Avatar (which will double every other film bar Titanic) is an impressive achievement.

I was just going to post this. Times change in more ways than inflation. In my opinion, the inflation is offset by a rental industry, people waiting to see it for cheap in their housholds. TV shows, other forms of entertainment, pirating, obvious other expenditures like college, autos, videogames....not to mention things like restraunts, night life and less of an emphasis on "theaters" as the premiere form of entertainment as was such in the past.

Can that really be contemplated the same way when it comes to major blockbuster movies that we've seen in the past?  Some of the forms of entertainment you've just listed (and pirating) can't exactly be pirated or adapted in 3-D like Avatar was headlined for.  Plus, when you see some of those major blockbusters, the other forms of entertainment or people holding out to see it later become more dwindled when it gets covered with hype and great reception (being that "must-see in theaters that's sometimes touted").

Yeah i agree its hard to measure thats hwy i said imo. But i also dont think someone can say adjusted is the only way or the highway either. Theres no science to comparing eras but in my opinion gross for any era is comparable to the era and since eras change so do a lot of things so it leads me to believe all the factors and things that compete with our dollars, like the need for education, medical bills etc. could very well outweigh the inflation increase.