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kitler53 said:
KylieDog said:
Most worthless waste of cash ever seen.

not really, think of all those consumers that have both a ps3 and a 360 and bought MW2 for both systems and now are forced to choose between buying the new maps for their 360 or ps3.   this is a major deciding factor for that segment of the community.

there are people that buy the same game for both systems? baffling.



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Reasonable said:
starcraft said:
I don't believe for a moment that it was from the goodness of anyone's heart.

But it is equally naive not to understand the true value of the world's largest software company and the holder of the largest two gaming platforms viewing you as a reliable, friendly and preferential partner.

you go on believing that, but let me tell you that you are almost certainly wrong based on my actual experience and knowledge of the retail and electronics industries.

Activision didn't need squat from MS regarding MW2, but MS definately needed something from MW2 - a late boost around November/December plus re-enformcement of the idea in the marketplace it had exclusivity regarding MW2 and was the better console to buy the game for.

Not only did it surely cost MS something to get the DLC, it surely cost them to get the exclusive MW2 bundles.

Here's how it works, simplified.

Activision calculate estimated sales of MW2 on 360 and PS3 based on previous titles/trends and latest info.  They then calculate what they believe would the value of any requested bundles, etc.

Now, if someone want's exclusivity, the standard model is to ask for something equal in value to the potential lost sales from the other options.

So, for Activision to simply give MS exclusive DLC and bundles they would have to either feel they needed to do so to maintain the relationship or that the relative value of (in this case) the PS3 bundles and the DLC on PS3 was zero.

Now, neither is likely.  Acitvision are in fine shape and they don't need to be buddying up to MS for any reason.  Also, I seriosuly doubt an PS3 bundles of MW2 would have added no sales nor do I believe the DLC has no value on PS3 - therefore I am very sure that Activision negotiated both the bundles and the DLC - and took some form of payment or inducement to do so, which would have been at least equal to lost revenue from the PS3 stream.

Not having PS3 bundles for MW2 will have lost Activision some sales November/December.  A 30 day delay will loose them (arguably temporarily) a revenue stream that will be significant.  Why would they do that to remain friendly with MS when they would be in exactly the same (superior) position in the market to MS if they didn't, as well as seeing more revenue into the bargin?

Now, that is what is called a reasoned opinion (or an informed opinion) based on working in retail in US and Europe with most major retailers and suppliers and observing standard models for promotions, exclusive deals and business operation.

Do you have a reasoned opinion of your own, or just a plain opinion clearly based on a console bias?

EDIT: BTW 360 fans, don't read this wrong.  I think this post is borderline troll and I don't post in MS section unless I have something to say that I know isn't biased in any way.  As I pointed out in my original post I can see very good reasons for MS to secure the DLC, and it's their right as a business to do so, I will respond though to something I know is very likely wrong, such as believing Activision simply 'gave' MS this to maintain a business relationship.  It doesn't work like that.  Sure Activision want to have a good relationship with MS, but they can have that and squeeze them for money, and I doubt with the option to have a good relationship and give stuff on goodwill vs have a good relationship and secure additional income Activision would chose the former.

While I agree with the bulk of your post, I wouldn't characterize the sales of maybe a million or two map packs (I think that's pretty generous, but you get my point) at 10 dollars each as very significant compared to the 1B they've already said they made off MW2.  Remember, the sales aren't even likely lost, just delayed as you said.  PS3 owners are not going to switch consoles and game versions just to get it when it releases, they will just wait as any rational human would.  So, in the end I doubt if very many sales will actually be lost, and thus any compensation would have to be comparably small.



KylieDog said:
What is the map with some crashed plane? Scrapyard maybe? I mean the one in a desert.


I hate that map.

Afghan which is my favorite map.



PlaystaionGamer said:
pathetic

could have spent that money on an actual game

its the same old story, but nobody cares

Are you kidding me?!?!!  Do you really think that MS spent enough money on this map pack (that they only get to have exclusive for one month) to make an actual game?!?!

If they did pay for it it was probably way less than a million.



GreyianStorm said:
DirtyP2002 said:
They bought the exclusive rights to advertise it like they did.... and it worked out. Well done MS.

How exactly did it work out? In terms of raw sales and ratios, the PS3 version of Modern Warfare 2 is closer to the Xbox 360 version than was the case with COD4: MW. The ratio for COD4: MW was 1.63:1 in favour of the 360. For MW2, the ratio is 1.42:1. In America/Others, the attach rate is practically the same between the 2 consoles for the game (as in, tie ratio, not total sales).

If anything, I think this shows that most of this pseudo-exclusive stuff doesn't actually work. Both sides (Sony and MS) should just give up with it, because it clearly doesn't work (most of the time).


well said

MS can thx the MW2 bundle + the 500k Xboxlive banned count



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tuscaniman said:
EagleHD said:

This is why I dislike Microsoft IMHO they seem to buy their way into the industry. No doubt there is money involved here, each move Microsoft  strengthens my resolve my to Sony.

I may be mistaken but this is exactly what Sony did to get into the industry when facing Nintendo. History repeats itself once again. Do some research on Sony's past before making comments about Microsoft.

Nah, I had a Saturn when Sony rolled into the game, the only thing I remember was the PS1 being a superior platform (sales) from about the release of FF7 and things snowballed from there. Also it was Nintendos lack of foresight in where the industry was going and its inability to change (albeit now rectified, amongst casual$ at least). Sony this time around has a viable platform which is at least equal to if not greater than the 360 but keeps loosing out on DLC simply through exclusive rights' money. 

I could be wrong but I can't remember any exclusive 1,6 or 12months rights back then.

It's just business I suppose but as I said before it's detrimental to the industry since PS3 gamers miss out and microsoft loose, waste money which could be invested in future IP's or R&D on something just for the purposes of one-upmanship. I blame microsoft for this and it's snowballed into problem (for me) from E3 2007 (GTA4), because now I see companies holding content back (Tomb raider U & RE5 come to mind) to make extra cash for content that should have been on the disk from the start. 

I'm not trying to say Sony is innocent or some kind of perfect company but rather that since microsoft joined the game its been a quasi business for all parties.

 

 



kitler53 said:
KylieDog said:
Most worthless waste of cash ever seen.

not really, think of all those consumers that have both a ps3 and a 360 and bought MW2 for both systems and now are forced to choose between buying the new maps for their 360 or ps3.   this is a major deciding factor for that segment of the community.


because there are guys buying MW2 for both system ? just lol man



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I wonder if they waived some of the royalty fees on DLC to secure it, Live revenue will be higher for the game anyway so perhaps thats all they would have needed to do.



De85 said:
Reasonable said:
starcraft said:
I don't believe for a moment that it was from the goodness of anyone's heart.

But it is equally naive not to understand the true value of the world's largest software company and the holder of the largest two gaming platforms viewing you as a reliable, friendly and preferential partner.

you go on believing that, but let me tell you that you are almost certainly wrong based on my actual experience and knowledge of the retail and electronics industries.

Activision didn't need squat from MS regarding MW2, but MS definately needed something from MW2 - a late boost around November/December plus re-enformcement of the idea in the marketplace it had exclusivity regarding MW2 and was the better console to buy the game for.

Not only did it surely cost MS something to get the DLC, it surely cost them to get the exclusive MW2 bundles.

Here's how it works, simplified.

Activision calculate estimated sales of MW2 on 360 and PS3 based on previous titles/trends and latest info.  They then calculate what they believe would the value of any requested bundles, etc.

Now, if someone want's exclusivity, the standard model is to ask for something equal in value to the potential lost sales from the other options.

So, for Activision to simply give MS exclusive DLC and bundles they would have to either feel they needed to do so to maintain the relationship or that the relative value of (in this case) the PS3 bundles and the DLC on PS3 was zero.

Now, neither is likely.  Acitvision are in fine shape and they don't need to be buddying up to MS for any reason.  Also, I seriosuly doubt an PS3 bundles of MW2 would have added no sales nor do I believe the DLC has no value on PS3 - therefore I am very sure that Activision negotiated both the bundles and the DLC - and took some form of payment or inducement to do so, which would have been at least equal to lost revenue from the PS3 stream.

Not having PS3 bundles for MW2 will have lost Activision some sales November/December.  A 30 day delay will loose them (arguably temporarily) a revenue stream that will be significant.  Why would they do that to remain friendly with MS when they would be in exactly the same (superior) position in the market to MS if they didn't, as well as seeing more revenue into the bargin?

Now, that is what is called a reasoned opinion (or an informed opinion) based on working in retail in US and Europe with most major retailers and suppliers and observing standard models for promotions, exclusive deals and business operation.

Do you have a reasoned opinion of your own, or just a plain opinion clearly based on a console bias?

EDIT: BTW 360 fans, don't read this wrong.  I think this post is borderline troll and I don't post in MS section unless I have something to say that I know isn't biased in any way.  As I pointed out in my original post I can see very good reasons for MS to secure the DLC, and it's their right as a business to do so, I will respond though to something I know is very likely wrong, such as believing Activision simply 'gave' MS this to maintain a business relationship.  It doesn't work like that.  Sure Activision want to have a good relationship with MS, but they can have that and squeeze them for money, and I doubt with the option to have a good relationship and give stuff on goodwill vs have a good relationship and secure additional income Activision would chose the former.

While I agree with the bulk of your post, I wouldn't characterize the sales of maybe a million or two map packs (I think that's pretty generous, but you get my point) at 10 dollars each as very significant compared to the 1B they've already said they made off MW2.  Remember, the sales aren't even likely lost, just delayed as you said.  PS3 owners are not going to switch consoles and game versions just to get it when it releases, they will just wait as any rational human would.  So, in the end I doubt if very many sales will actually be lost, and thus any compensation would have to be comparably small.

nobody is arguing about MS paying a big or a small amount of "cash"µ

the question is simple : did MS paid something to get the bundle + DLC for them ?
the answer is even more simple : yes ...



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Timed exclusives can back fire against real exclusives. It's almost like a reward for owning the console rather than seeking new customers.