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Solid_Raiden said:
JaggedSac said:
Solid_Raiden said:
JaggedSac said:
Raiden you seem to be speaking only about Halo needing to be more cinematicly inclined like CoD. Game play is more important.

From a game play perspective, what does Halo need to imitate from CoD.

And where did I ever mention it had to PLAY more like COD. I only stated that there is much that Halo can learn from COD. Which is true. Gameplay isn't the only aspect that makes a great game you know. ;)

Oh, well, to me it is :)  Nevermind then.  Carry on about cinematics.

Wait, so you think that Gameplay is the only thing that makes a good game? I don't believe that. I see from your sig that you are hyped for games like Alan Wake and Mass Effect with both are going to be great games for reasons other then their gameplay. Gameplay wise Mass Effect 2 is an ok third person shooter, and Alan Wake a medicore action adventure. Yet, it's the stories, atmosphere, presentation, and other aspects that make those games must own and incredible titles.

:)  I was speaking about Halo.  I want Bungie to spend all of their time perfecting and adding features where I am going to spend all of my time.  Multiplayer.



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JaggedSac said:

 

 

Seems they are probably going to add some reward as well as probably keep the ranking to ensure players are on a level playing field.  Also, looks like they might be adding some additional things for reputation and social history.  Probably unlockable items to where and leaderboards.  I honestly don't think they will have unlockable items that affect gameplay.  One of their design leads talked negatively about that aspect of MW2 on their latest podcast.

"Most players don't care about skill, like reward better!?!" lol

Skill level achievement should always be in jeopardy, it just shows that most people out there are pussies who had their parents tell them all their life that they are "special" and cannot fail.  I am laughing at what is in store for them when they get out into the real world.



I really think that they ought to target 60hz since they use a match making peer to peer system. Going from 100ms latency down to 60-70 is the difference between an average ping and a good ping for players. If not for their main coop campaign then at least for their multiplayer it would go quite a ways to making the game an even better experience for their audience. Theres a good reason why Call of Duty 4/6 are 60hz and this makes up a significant part of that reason.

 



WilliamWatts said:

I really think that they ought to target 60hz since they use a match making peer to peer system. Going from 100ms latency down to 60-70 is the difference between an average ping and a good ping for players. If not for their main coop campaign then at least for their multiplayer it would go quite a ways to making the game an even better experience for their audience. Theres a good reason why Call of Duty 4/6 are 60hz and this makes up a significant part of that reason.

 


You mean 60 frames per second right? Every game refreshes at 60 hz in North america :)



Well obviously MW is on 2 systems so has more online total. But just on 360 Halo 3 often stays number 1 longer than ANY other game. Halo 3 has had loads more weeks and months as number 1 Live game online over MW1 and will over MW2. Halo Reach will beat all of them on Live. It's unfair to include PSN as Halo is not available on that.



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disolitude said:
WilliamWatts said:

I really think that they ought to target 60hz since they use a match making peer to peer system. Going from 100ms latency down to 60-70 is the difference between an average ping and a good ping for players. If not for their main coop campaign then at least for their multiplayer it would go quite a ways to making the game an even better experience for their audience. Theres a good reason why Call of Duty 4/6 are 60hz and this makes up a significant part of that reason.

 


You mean 60 frames per second right? Every game refreshes at 60 hz in North america :)

Yep its essentially the same thing. Too much game latency means they have to use servers or it would be unmanageable.



libellule said:
Will Halo REACH be good enought to be a MW killer ?

It already is. If you count just 360. Inculding PS3 in against Halo Reach is unfair.



selnor said:
libellule said:
Will Halo REACH be good enought to be a MW killer ?

It already is. If you count just 360. Inculding PS3 in against Halo Reach is unfair.

That's a lot of assumption going on in one sentence. MW2 isn't even through selling yet and is already on it's way to outselling Halo 3 on the 360 and you are also assuming that Reach outsells Halo 3 itself. I don't see how it's unfair to count the ps3 copies of MW against halo either. Unfair because it shows how many more people bought a game then your favorite maybe. There's no reason to gimp the sales of one game in favor of your other. If more people wanted to play halo they would have bought a 360. People who wanted to buy halo got halo and though's who wanted to buy MW2 bougt that too. The fact remains that Modern Warfare is more popular. No matter how you cut it, more people purchased it. You can't tell me that ps3 owners couldn't buy a 360 and halo if they had wanted to. Next are we going to gimp Mario sales because the wii has sold so much? Tipical Selnor response though.




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Solid_Raiden said:
selnor said:
libellule said:
Will Halo REACH be good enought to be a MW killer ?

It already is. If you count just 360. Inculding PS3 in against Halo Reach is unfair.

That's a lot of assumption going on in one sentence. MW2 isn't even through selling yet and is already on it's way to outselling Halo 3 on the 360 and you are also assuming that Reach outsells Halo 3 itself. I don't see how it's unfair to count the ps3 copies of MW against halo either. Unfair because it shows how many more people bought a game then your favorite maybe. There's no reason to gimp the sales of one game in favor of your other. If more people wanted to play halo they would have bought a 360. People who wanted to buy halo got halo and though's who wanted to buy MW2 bougt that too. The fact remains that Modern Warfare is more popular. No matter how you cut it, more people purchased it. You can't tell me that ps3 owners couldn't buy a 360 and halo if they had wanted to. Next are we going to gimp Mario sales because the wii has sold so much? Tipical Selnor response though.

You and I both know that when a game is multi-plat it typcally sells more than if it was an exclusive, Halo would have had at least a couple million more copies sold had it been available to the PS3 too.



Solid_Raiden said:
selnor said:
libellule said:
Will Halo REACH be good enought to be a MW killer ?

It already is. If you count just 360. Inculding PS3 in against Halo Reach is unfair.

That's a lot of assumption going on in one sentence. MW2 isn't even through selling yet and is already on it's way to outselling Halo 3 on the 360 and you are also assuming that Reach outsells Halo 3 itself. I don't see how it's unfair to count the ps3 copies of MW against halo either. Unfair because it shows how many more people bought a game then your favorite maybe. There's no reason to gimp the sales of one game in favor of your other. If more people wanted to play halo they would have bought a 360. People who wanted to buy halo got halo and though's who wanted to buy MW2 bougt that too. The fact remains that Modern Warfare is more popular. No matter how you cut it, more people purchased it. You can't tell me that ps3 owners couldn't buy a 360 and halo if they had wanted to. Next are we going to gimp Mario sales because the wii has sold so much? Tipical Selnor response though.

What if theres system A with 10M units sold and System B with 20M units sold.

Then game A comes out exclusive to system A with 8M units sold.

Then game B comes out multiplatform and it sells 5M units on system A and 6M units on system for a total of 13M

Is it fair to say that game B considerably outperformed game A when the total sales of game B exceed the total console sales and therefore total possible sales of game/console A?

Anyway whilst its not that extreme you have to consider the variables. Theres no doubt that Halo 3 is a bigger game on the Xbox 360 thus far and its therefore the single biggest FPS game on any single platform. Modern Warfare is just a bigger game overall. Also consider that popularity is a factor of attach rates as well. Halo 3 is something like 25% attach rate and its therefore more popular on a single audience than MW2 is overall.