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tyig said:

The thing is sony gaming division became too big back in the time they were dominating, their model depends heavily on domination, they're doing the right thing by expanding PSN to tv's and others so they can use PS brand to create more profit to the movie studios and TV's I don't think there's much else they can do.

imo they could drop the ps2 hardware, add ps2 emulation, improve the PSN from a browsing and content perspective, add ps2 games to the PSN

and let more people know they're doing this. seriously, i think if you had to tell the average PS3 user some of the features even currently available on the ps3 they would be pleasantly surprised, but I think that most ps3 owners or prospective ps3 owners just don't know (or care...yet)

also, I don't think Sony would go awry by adding an e-mail client such as thunderbird or something to the XMB or life with playstation, and actually get the word out.

the ps3 as it stands is pretty good on pirate protection - therefore more profits for studios involved - so expanding the base of media the ps3 could provide access to could potentially help a lot and perhaps revive interest in older franchises if they were made available to the public as downloadable content.

if their model depends on domination, i think it's about time they tried to either regain domination in some aspects of home entertainment, or redefine their model lol.



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kowenicki said:
jneul said:
BoneyBoy said:
@jneul - i gave the betamax example because that is when sony WAS at the forefront of technology.

They are not at the forefront of anything now.

They are an also-ran in every market they are competing in.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/181681-where-will-sony-fail-next

Right if they are not at the forefront then why are they pushing for 3D-TV, yes it is a controversional move, and could fail, but it may pay off, we simply don't know yet, and it is unfair to negatively bash on this new development, I personally would love to see 3D suceed, it's about time we all got 3D-TV's.

all maufacturers are pushing 3d-tv... as far as consumer use and access is concerned sony are a little behind the likes of samsung and others, who already have sets winning awards at CES for example. 

yeah but at least they are pushing for 3d-tv, i need say no more lol, anyways i heard yor eyes really hurt when looking at the other 3d-tv's that need no glasses, is that true??

I saw Avatar in 3D at the cinema, and was very impressed, I definately want 3D to be a success...



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kowenicki said:
jneul said:
kowenicki said:
jneul said:
BoneyBoy said:
@jneul - i gave the betamax example because that is when sony WAS at the forefront of technology.

They are not at the forefront of anything now.

They are an also-ran in every market they are competing in.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/181681-where-will-sony-fail-next

Right if they are not at the forefront then why are they pushing for 3D-TV, yes it is a controversional move, and could fail, but it may pay off, we simply don't know yet, and it is unfair to negatively bash on this new development, I personally would love to see 3D suceed, it's about time we all got 3D-TV's.

all maufacturers are pushing 3d-tv... as far as consumer use and access is concerned sony are a little behind the likes of samsung and others, who already have sets winning awards at CES for example. 

yeah but at least they are pushing for 3d-tv, i need say no more lol, anyways i heard yor eyes really hurt when looking at the other 3d-tv's that need no glasses, is that true??

I saw Avatar in 3D at the cinema, and was very impressed, I definately want 3D to be a success...

The sets which dont require glasses arent practical yet in either use or price.. 

I wasnt talking about them.  Everyone wants 3d to be a success but all this talk on the internet of it being the big thing in homes 2010 is utter garbage.  The millions and millions that upgraded to a HD tv in the last 2 or 3 years arent simply going to nip out and do it all over again to satisfy tech manufactureres.  

I was just wondering lol, anyways you are right not every one will want to jump on the 3D-TV bandwagon, but you will get the odd tech geek here and there that loves getting new technology, anyway if it can survive that then even I will jump on in about 3 years time



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kowenicki said:
jneul said:
kowenicki said:
jneul said:
kowenicki said:
jneul said:
BoneyBoy said:
@jneul - i gave the betamax example because that is when sony WAS at the forefront of technology.

They are not at the forefront of anything now.

They are an also-ran in every market they are competing in.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/181681-where-will-sony-fail-next

Right if they are not at the forefront then why are they pushing for 3D-TV, yes it is a controversional move, and could fail, but it may pay off, we simply don't know yet, and it is unfair to negatively bash on this new development, I personally would love to see 3D suceed, it's about time we all got 3D-TV's.

all maufacturers are pushing 3d-tv... as far as consumer use and access is concerned sony are a little behind the likes of samsung and others, who already have sets winning awards at CES for example. 

yeah but at least they are pushing for 3d-tv, i need say no more lol, anyways i heard yor eyes really hurt when looking at the other 3d-tv's that need no glasses, is that true??

I saw Avatar in 3D at the cinema, and was very impressed, I definately want 3D to be a success...

The sets which dont require glasses arent practical yet in either use or price.. 

I wasnt talking about them.  Everyone wants 3d to be a success but all this talk on the internet of it being the big thing in homes 2010 is utter garbage.  The millions and millions that upgraded to a HD tv in the last 2 or 3 years arent simply going to nip out and do it all over again to satisfy tech manufactureres.  

I was just wondering lol, anyways you are right not every one will want to jump on the 3D-TV bandwagon, but you will get the odd tech geek here and there that loves getting new technology, anyway if it can survive that then even I will jump on in about 3 years time

tbh I am one of the mugs who will likely nip out and get something early, being ripped off and getting buyers remorse in the process!!

i would do the same if i could afford it lol, anyways i know what you mean there hehee



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One interesting thing I found out because I was bored and listened to Major Nelson was that their number one accessory for the Xbox 360 were points cards for online. I expect that they are thereby increasing the money they earn per console which explains the relative stability of their earnings next to a fall in relative market share next to the Wii and PS3. Thats a lot of Arcade games sold, and they outnumbered Live cards and controllers haha!

Looking at Sony well its going to be a tough 6 months and my prediction is that as soon as the financials are in everyone is going to be calling them epic fools etc. Personally them cutting the price to $299 was absolutely needed and likely had they not done it they would have lost more money from a weak overall market position in the console market between now and the next generation and beyond. Once people stop taking you seriously you've got an uphill battle to get their respect back. So any losses they make are probably justified but they'll still look like monkeys doing it. However they will be less of a monkey in the longer term because of that move.



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WilliamWatts said:

One interesting thing I found out because I was bored and listened to Major Nelson was that their number one accessory for the Xbox 360 were points cards for online. I expect that they are thereby increasing the money they earn per console which explains the relative stability of their earnings next to a fall in relative market share next to the Wii and PS3. Thats a lot of Arcade games sold, and they outnumbered Live cards and controllers haha!

Looking at Sony well its going to be a tough 6 months and my prediction is that as soon as the financials are in everyone is going to be calling them epic fools etc. Personally them cutting the price to $299 was absolutely needed and likely had they not done it they would have lost more money from a weak overall market position in the console market between now and the next generation and beyond. Once people stop taking you seriously you've got an uphill battle to get their respect back. So any losses they make are probably justified but they'll still look like monkeys doing it. However they will be less of a monkey in the longer term because of that move.

please get your information right, they reduced the cost of making the PS3 with the PS3 Slim, and passed on some of the savings to the customers, with that being said, they are definately losing less money on every PS3 Slim that is sold now, they are in a stronger position now to start breaking even and making a profit on the PS3.

When the finance comes in you have to remember it is based on the fact theat hey was selling the old PS3 phat for most of the year at a greater loss, only since the PS3 Slim came out they have managed to reduce losses going out, so it will probably be bad news again, unfortunately.. Now next year they should at least break even, I hope



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

jneul said:
WilliamWatts said:

One interesting thing I found out because I was bored and listened to Major Nelson was that their number one accessory for the Xbox 360 were points cards for online. I expect that they are thereby increasing the money they earn per console which explains the relative stability of their earnings next to a fall in relative market share next to the Wii and PS3. Thats a lot of Arcade games sold, and they outnumbered Live cards and controllers haha!

Looking at Sony well its going to be a tough 6 months and my prediction is that as soon as the financials are in everyone is going to be calling them epic fools etc. Personally them cutting the price to $299 was absolutely needed and likely had they not done it they would have lost more money from a weak overall market position in the console market between now and the next generation and beyond. Once people stop taking you seriously you've got an uphill battle to get their respect back. So any losses they make are probably justified but they'll still look like monkeys doing it. However they will be less of a monkey in the longer term because of that move.

please get your information right, they reduced the cost of making the PS3 with the PS3 Slim, and passed on some of the savings to the customers, with that being said, they are definately losing less money on every PS3 Slim that is sold now, they are in a stronger position now to start breaking even and making a profit on the PS3.

When the finance comes in you have to remember it is based on the fact theat hey was selling the old PS3 phat for most of the year at a greater loss, only since the PS3 Slim came out they have managed to reduce losses going out, so it will probably be bad news again, unfortunately.. Now next year they should at least break even, I hope

The problem is that the improvements on PS3 profitability have to counter PS2's decline before they can push SCE into profit.

While the PS2 doesn't have much more to decline, one of the issues now is the declining software market in USA (NPD said software revenue was lower in 2009 than 2008, didn't they?)... I don't know if it's affecting Sony much, but if it is that will be a real problem.

 



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NJ5 said:
jneul said:
WilliamWatts said:

One interesting thing I found out because I was bored and listened to Major Nelson was that their number one accessory for the Xbox 360 were points cards for online. I expect that they are thereby increasing the money they earn per console which explains the relative stability of their earnings next to a fall in relative market share next to the Wii and PS3. Thats a lot of Arcade games sold, and they outnumbered Live cards and controllers haha!

Looking at Sony well its going to be a tough 6 months and my prediction is that as soon as the financials are in everyone is going to be calling them epic fools etc. Personally them cutting the price to $299 was absolutely needed and likely had they not done it they would have lost more money from a weak overall market position in the console market between now and the next generation and beyond. Once people stop taking you seriously you've got an uphill battle to get their respect back. So any losses they make are probably justified but they'll still look like monkeys doing it. However they will be less of a monkey in the longer term because of that move.

please get your information right, they reduced the cost of making the PS3 with the PS3 Slim, and passed on some of the savings to the customers, with that being said, they are definately losing less money on every PS3 Slim that is sold now, they are in a stronger position now to start breaking even and making a profit on the PS3.

When the finance comes in you have to remember it is based on the fact theat hey was selling the old PS3 phat for most of the year at a greater loss, only since the PS3 Slim came out they have managed to reduce losses going out, so it will probably be bad news again, unfortunately.. Now next year they should at least break even, I hope

The problem is that the improvements on PS3 profitability have to counter PS2's decline before they can push SCE into profit.

While the PS2 doesn't have much more to decline, one of the issues now is the declining software market in USA (NPD said software revenue was lower in 2009 than 2008, didn't they?)... I don't know if it's affecting Sony much, but if it is that will be a real problem.

 

Good point, oh well we shall have to wait and see



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

jneul said:
WilliamWatts said:

One interesting thing I found out because I was bored and listened to Major Nelson was that their number one accessory for the Xbox 360 were points cards for online. I expect that they are thereby increasing the money they earn per console which explains the relative stability of their earnings next to a fall in relative market share next to the Wii and PS3. Thats a lot of Arcade games sold, and they outnumbered Live cards and controllers haha!

Looking at Sony well its going to be a tough 6 months and my prediction is that as soon as the financials are in everyone is going to be calling them epic fools etc. Personally them cutting the price to $299 was absolutely needed and likely had they not done it they would have lost more money from a weak overall market position in the console market between now and the next generation and beyond. Once people stop taking you seriously you've got an uphill battle to get their respect back. So any losses they make are probably justified but they'll still look like monkeys doing it. However they will be less of a monkey in the longer term because of that move.

please get your information right, they reduced the cost of making the PS3 with the PS3 Slim, and passed on some of the savings to the customers, with that being said, they are definately losing less money on every PS3 Slim that is sold now, they are in a stronger position now to start breaking even and making a profit on the PS3.

When the finance comes in you have to remember it is based on the fact theat hey was selling the old PS3 phat for most of the year at a greater loss, only since the PS3 Slim came out they have managed to reduce losses going out, so it will probably be bad news again, unfortunately.. Now next year they should at least break even, I hope

Yeah but their revenue went down significantly too! Its revenue - expenses = profit, remember? Also they are taking revenue from the first 20M or so PS3s they sold and are still losing money overall! The whole 'justification' for the losses on the first 20M was that they next 20-40M would be profitable and thats partially off the back of the first 20M. If they continue to just subsidise the losses on the latest batch of PS3s with PS3s they already sold, they will reach a point where the revenue will decline and they cannot make back any money at all.

Btw the original model has already been accounted for in their financial books. Any losses or profit are based off the slim and whatever else the PS* business and other businesses in SCE do.



jneul said:
Grimes said:
jneul said:
Grimes said:

Making faster computers or digital formats is not the only means of technological innovation.

that is not all that Sony has done, come on you know better than that lol. what about cloud computing huh that is just one example i can come up with.

the wii-remote is a unique innovaton, i will give you that one

Sony invented cloud computing?

sorry cloud networking or whatever lol, as far as i know, yes, sorry i was getting tired last night lol

Edit: yeah basically they are planning to offer computer based solutions over a network to you without you requiring powerful hardware, so just imagine being able to play on a HD game without needing a PS3, now you know what I mean, of course it is used for more practical things like now, such as storage, but none the less it shall go that way eventually, as that is what Sony have planned for it, from what I have read.

OnLive is developing this service, not Sony.



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