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LordTheNightKnight said:
_honeybadger_ said:
Vertigo-X said:
theprof00 said:
Vertigo-X said:
 

 

Yes, grilled cheese is delicious... Except when you use some nasty tasting cheese, that is. The problem is, Threepee is using low quality ingredients to save money and is expecting good results. The rest of it doesn't make sense:

 

1.)  You're implying that the reintroduction of the old sandwich directly impacted the sales of Threepee's sandwiches. I believe here you're trying to imply that New Super Mario Bros caused a direct decrease in the sales of third party games? Correct me if I'm wrong but that assertion would be utterly stupid..

Not caused, will cause. Give it time

2.) Island in the Pacific? Ten possible ingredients? Are you trying to  blame this on the distributor (publisher) and not the Wiideli?

Or maybe the cap on how much the sandwich is capable of being "different"

 

 

1.) Okay, any particular reason for that thinking? Proof, as it were?

 

2.) Then what are you blaming here? The Wiideli? As far as I'm aware, it hasn't restricted Threepee in how he chooses to make his sandwiches.

So you want the staple and most regarded games ever to grace gaming  to be made on the least impresive hardware so that everyone (Gamers, Publishers, Developers, Analyst) compares them to the games that are using the best hardware and as a by product of that they would be reducing the franchise appeal and loose the praise and recognition that they have built for a long time.

 

You think that if Acti-Blizzard brings WOW to the WII and cuts the PC version the MMO fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC.

You think that if Acti-Blizzard brings COD to the WII and Cuts the HD Console/PC versions FPS fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC/console.

Do you think that if CAPCOM brings Biohazard to the WII and Cuts the HD Console/PC versions survival horror/action fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC/console.

Do you think that if konami brings MetalGear to the WII and Cuts the HD Console/PC versions stealth/infiltration fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC/console.

I could do this all day, you think gamers like the games just because of the Names and thats not the case, those games are the more highly regarded games and they have a huge fanbase because they are pushing the limits of what is posible on the  PC/console, and if they go to the WII yes sure people will buy it but it would sell less than what it does on the systems that are best suited to the habilities/capabilities of the developers and the audience that they know how to entice to buy their games en masse, it would harm their brand and prestige doing the exact opposite of what they have become famous for.

 

WII owners Stop asking for imaginary games, the only type of support that you were going to get on the WII is not with the main entries of the big frachises, for that reason you have nintendo. Instead you are getting great games and new IP that you completly ignore while you complain for games that will never come. If you want the type of games that are on the other consoles but still like the WII get a complementary system (HD Console/PC) if you can, if you cannot keep your complains to yourselfs as we gamers Dont care and cannot do anything, Sent emails directly to the Publishers/developers  of the games that you want on the WII or make you on website/forum to complain about it and Stop Making a CessPool of complaints in all the gaming forums, Thats pathetic, even worst when the WII has great Games on its own that are neglected while forum babies complaint about why imaginary game X doesnt get a main entry on the WII.

Enjoy your  great games and forget about the rest.

You some shill for a Wii hating developer trying to justify what they are doing? It won't work.

Reality needs no justification or excuse, Im just presenting my explanation. Dont delude yourself thinking that I have a hidden agenda on a GAMING MESSAGE BOARD where I attend to pass the time or that the views that I present in my post arent my own.

 

Unlike the complainers I Like the WII for what it has and I see Great Games 1st and 3rd party. But you guys wont stop complaining because imaginary game X doesnt get a main entry on the WII.

Enjoy your  great games and forget about the rest.

 

 



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LordTheNightKnight said:
"You're deliberately being unfair and you know it. If you insist on continuing in this manner, so be it, but you've just forfeited the right to complain when the games you favor are painted with a similarly overbroad brush."

I was responding to a comment that was already broad, the old "just buy the HD systems" comment. I was just throwing bullshit to bullshit.

Although the brown thing does turn me off a bit (not always, but with some games).

Ah.

Well, turnabout is fair play...



"Reality needs no justification or excuse"

Claims of what wouldn't sell if it was Wii exclusive is not reality, especially when the first major third party exclusive proved it false.

And using some PC series to disprove the Wii audience is just wrong. WoW wouldn't work on the HD sytems either.

You didn't use reality. You used BS that's been debunked for a long time. That's why you looked like a shill. It just came across as fake as that PSP site.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
"Reality needs no justification or excuse"

Claims of what wouldn't sell if it was Wii exclusive is not reality, especially when the first major third party exclusive proved it false.

And using some PC series to disprove the Wii audience is just wrong. WoW wouldn't work on the HD sytems either.


You didn't use reality. You used BS that's been debunked for a long time. That's why you looked like a shill. It just came across as fake as that PSP site.

And no HD user is asking for publishers to bring it to HD consoles :P



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

"And no HD user is asking for publishers to bring it to HD consoles :P"

If any 360, PS3, or Wii owners wanted the game, they would still be off. The structure just wouldn't work on those.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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LordTheNightKnight said:
"Reality needs no justification or excuse"

Claims of what wouldn't sell if it was Wii exclusive is not reality, especially when the first major third party exclusive proved it false.

And using some PC series to disprove the Wii audience is just wrong. WoW wouldn't work on the HD sytems either.

You didn't use reality. You used BS that's been debunked for a long time. That's why you looked like a shill. It just came across as fake as that PSP site.

Nope. we have RE4 WII, did it sold better than RE5?  Nope. why because the audience that cares about those games care for them for very specific reason, gamers dont follow the games blindly they follow the meaning behing the name/brand.

 

WOW can work on the PS3/360 the only reason is not there is because Blizzard has targeted the PC audience with their game, thus if you want to play wow you get a PC, and if Blizzard were to abandon the PC audience and went console exclusive the PC audience would find another MMO on the PC to play.

 

WII owners need to get this publishers and developers when they make a game they have a target audience and depending were this audience is bigger they develop the game for. Do you think my grandma wants to play RE5? nope, but she likes WII Bowling. Do you think My little sister wants to play MetalGear? nope but she likes Imaginez petz babiez.

Unfortunely for the core WII gamers and Nintendo Fans of old the WII audience likes good and bad games alike, but the games they like arent the same you like and the games they buy by the gazillions are WII MUSIC, WII FIT, WII PLAY WII WII. That is the bigger share of the WII Owners and they are quite happy with the games they are getting, and there are many core games on the WII that are good and great that are Ignored amd Neglected while you guys complain abou the fact that imaginary game X doesnt get a main entry on the WII.

ON a CONTEN DRIVEN INDUSTRY. CONTENT IS KING.  if you arent happy with the content you get on the current system you have just follow the content where is at if you can of course.

 

P.S Dont talk to me about the WII audience and how many consoles it has sold because if that were a valid reason all games would go to DS/PSP/PC/IPHONE. as they all have sold more consoles than the WII, or Maybe they should make all games exclusive to the PS2 is the console that has sold the most and keeps on selling. However Nobody  complains about the fact those systems arent getting imaginary game X  main entry. WII forums dwellers have these idiotic sense of entitlement that is pathetic how they turn every thread and topic into a cesspool of complaints.



Kenryoku_Maxis said:

 

What does Nintendo 'leading the way' have to do with third parties jumping on board?  That got them nowhere on the N64 and GC.  And that got them nowhere on their monster first two years of the Wiis launch.  You know, when the Wii was selling out of stores upon arrival and Nintendo had games like Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros going head to head with all the major HD games.  And where did Sony or Microsoft 'lead the way' to gain the support of third parties back on the XBOX and PSX?  I see no coorilation with your 'leading the way' argument with the first part of your argument.

My statment of 'developers could do whatever they want' was meant to focus on how developers could develop games in any way they want, if they put their minds to it.  Sure, they couldn't go make some holographic game that let people jump into the Matrix and fly over the Grand Canyon at 300 FPS.  But within the Wiis boundaries, they could develop anything they wanted, if they just put forth the effort.  Instead, they just set these imaginary boundaries of 'we can only use waggle, these set resources, target these set markets and aim to sell these many units'.  And it was even a shock to the third parties when Wii games started selling well, because they expected their own games to bomb.  That's just plain sad.

Those first two years were when I was the most satisfied with our Wii.  Then came the disastrous E3 2008 presentation of Wii Music cowbell players and Animal Crossing being touted as the big core game release of the holiday season (because of the multi-player and Wii Speak, features which were 10 years out of date by then).  I can recall as that being the moment when I realized Nintendo had left me, and I had to get one or both HD systems for my needs.  We did that by the end of the year, and Wii gaming has fallen way down in our house from what it once used to be.  This is all pure speculation, but had Nintendo instead invested its money that year into making a few big budget and truly innovative games (say a real new IP FPS, not the continuation of Metroid Prime they had already made), many people like me would have held off the HD switch.  I am sure with all their talent and money, Nintendo could have made a serious, big budget game that was significantly better than the port of CoD:W@W or the Conduit, and had a good chance of making it hit big.  This would have showed the third parties that there was money to be made in new IP AAA games on the Wii.  And possibly some of the current bigger HD projects would have switched over to the Wii by now.  Nintendo had to be the first, because they only developed for the Wii, had the necessary resources, and had the incentive to make this happen.  They instead dropped the ball, decided to focus on more profitable, but low profile casual games or continuation of proven old IPs, and left it up to the third parties to take all the risk.

You can claim that Nintendo did follow this model in the N64, GCN cycles, and the third parties did not follow.  The big flaw there is that N64 and GCN were not the market leaders, and Nintendo never really went all out with them like Microsoft did with their XBox.  Microsoft lost a lot of money in the short term, but set themselves up to take on Sony then next generation. Nintendo instead went with maximizing profits, and doing what they already knew. Good for them, bad for the fanbase.



LordTheNightKnight said:
"You're deliberately being unfair and you know it. If you insist on continuing in this manner, so be it, but you've just forfeited the right to complain when the games you favor are painted with a similarly overbroad brush."

I was responding to a comment that was already broad, the old "just buy the HD systems" comment. I was just throwing bullshit to bullshit.

Although the brown thing does turn me off a bit (not always, but with some games).

What's so bs about that comment ?

See many HD owners asking for publishers to release fitness games on HD consoles ?

Nope, those that want those kind of games purchase a Wii...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Reality needs no justification or excuse"

Claims of what wouldn't sell if it was Wii exclusive is not reality, especially when the first major third party exclusive proved it false.

And using some PC series to disprove the Wii audience is just wrong. WoW wouldn't work on the HD sytems either.


You didn't use reality. You used BS that's been debunked for a long time. That's why you looked like a shill. It just came across as fake as that PSP site.

And no HD user is asking for publishers to bring it to HD consoles :P

Correct, you dont see topics being highjacked with people complaining about that  or creating topics to diss blizzard etc. I.e WII Forums fighter bitter tears.



Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You're deliberately being unfair and you know it. If you insist on continuing in this manner, so be it, but you've just forfeited the right to complain when the games you favor are painted with a similarly overbroad brush."

I was responding to a comment that was already broad, the old "just buy the HD systems" comment. I was just throwing bullshit to bullshit.

Although the brown thing does turn me off a bit (not always, but with some games).

What's so bs about that comment ?

See many HD owners asking for publishers to release fitness games on HD consoles ?

Nope, those that want those kind of games purchase a Wii...

Correct, if those types of games are the ones you want  you should follow the content and stop destroying the forums topics and threads.