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Nintendo did not build the Wii for the gamer who wants HD graphics, online and DLC.   They built is as a tool to get everyone else playing games.   To that end they are doing extremely well and can continue to do so for years to come.

I don't think Nintendo is lazy.   I think Nintendo understands their market.   The casual gamer doesn't want bigger, badder, better games.    They want fun, accessible games.   Especially games you can play together.  By together I mean with family & friends not some stranger.

IGN is the old guard, one screaming in defiance as the land they once thought was exclusively theirs is now overrun with ghouls er, girls.

If you want HD, more online, more DLC, more single player experiences, etc.  Get an HD console.   Nintendo tried and failed to compete one on one with Sony and MS last gen.   They realized that was a dead end and that market is imploding.   This gen, they went out and found thier own audience instead of fighting for scraps of the core.

You may not like it.  That's understandable.   But you look at how much money Nintendo is making - billions, then the combined total of the rest of the industry - billions - in the hole, and you begin to realize that Nintendo is the only thing saving the games industry from itself.



 

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tuoyo said:

Sorry you are wrong.  I am the biggest Nintendo fan there is but as big a fan as I am I have been really pissed off the way some on this site have defended and excuse every move Nintendo has made.  It is not about them not caring about certain features it is about them just accepting anything Nintendo does.  Mario Kart is probably the best online experience this gen (at least certainly on the Wii) which is a big part of its ridiculously high sales but the way I have heard lack of online and other features so excused I am sure if Mario Kart did not have online people would be shouting about how it is and has always been a game for local multiplayer and it doesn't need online.

If I were wrong you wouldn't see NSMBWii shattering sales records, nor would the Wii be doing the same for the month of December. This is not hypothetical. This is a real market that quite clearly exists.

You MK example is weak though. I love the series. I have invested hundreds of hours into it. I have never taken MKWii online. I never will take MKWii online. If its online capability was magically eliminated tomorrow there would be no effect on my opinion of it. The game I play will be absolutely identical. Your values are not universal. When you get that then you can see why Nintendo is not being lazy, or doing the bare minimum. They are catering to their largest audience. Tough times for you if that doesn't if you aren't completely content with what they are offering. I am. You are welcome to be unhappy that they aren't pandering directly to you with every game, but the bottom line says the investment isn't a necessity if it doesn't fir a game well.



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The point is most of you are lost in your logic.
Nintendo has left the Hardcore! What is the Hardcore. What is casual! Those words are not even being use correctly.

What's the difference between a person who plays Wii Sports, Madden, of Modern Warefare everyday. Nothing! The both play them at extreme levels or hardcore.
What about a person who plays Wii Music, LBP, and Killzone once a week. Nothing they all casually play those games.

Then you have games like Madden and NFL Blitz. They are both Football games. One could be consider a hardcore version because of the extra options, and more depth with gameplay. The other could be called casual for not having that many options.

Nintendo is still making all the same games. They made in the past. They have even have created new games this gen.
So most of you are really crying about not having More Mature Games.
Nintendo do not make Mature games. They never have and never will. If would be like Disney making a real japanese anime. They are just not going to do it.
So you only hope for games like that. Will come from 3rd Parties. Which will not even try to make great games like that. The decent games that come out Wii owners will not even buy it.

Wii Gamers would not buy Madworld. Too short to niche.
Deep Space and Resident Evil because they are On Rail Shooters.
Every other games that was released by 3rd parties. The Core or experience Wii gamers would not buy them. Because of their experience. So if your experience then you should know better. You should know what to expect from Nintendo.
If you out grown Nintendo then move on. Like most did during the N64/PS1 and Cube/PS2.
The point is you guys left and now you back. You thought that Nintendo was going to follow the lead of the others. Now that they are on top again.
So it's your fault for all this assumptions. Nintendo has been the same for 20 plus year. Your the one that change. Deal with it or move on. Either way stop bitching.

People bring up why we don't have games like Uncharted 2 and Killzone.
What your really saying is. You want a 1st Person shooter, and a adventure game.
Nintendo doesn't make 1PS, and have not made a adventure game other than Zelda.
Also are those games really that great. According to the sales charts not really. That's a entirely different subject all together.
Nintendo has Star Fox, F Zero, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Custom Robo, and Pikmin left.
They have created new franchise like. Wii Music Wii Sports Wii Fit and Endless Ocean
They brought back others like PunchOut, Excite Truck/Bike. and Wario Platformer Game.
Japan has even gotten new games, Captain Rainbow , and Zangeki no Reginleiv to name a few.
You guys are acting like Nintendo has done anything.
Oh didn't mention that we will be getting another 3d Mario, Zelda, and New Metroid adventure.
Like I stated before. Most of you have changed in the style of games you like. Odds are Nintendo will never meet your desires. So please jump ship. The new wave of rookie/ so called casual gamers will take you place. Something I wouldn't mine at all.



 

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radiantshadow92 said:
Kage848 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Jumpin said:

No matter what IGN`s agenda is, they`re still not going to stop people from liking Nintendo games. I also find it funny that the people who care most about things like "Princess isn't in the game!!!!" are non-Nintendo owners and IGN.... Obviously not many others thought this important, because the game sold faster than any in history, proving IGN wrong.

 

The fact of the matter is that the people bashing on the Wii are fanboys who are upset that they lost to Nintendo this generation. Most gamers this generation are DS/Wii gamers. Fact of the matter is, Nintendo games are a lot of fun, and a lot of people like them.

wrong, i am not mad about that...i too own a WII but am only filled with regret...the WII left out the hardcore gamers....i have only had the delight of playing 5 good WII games this whole gen...very little WII games are AAA, i am not upset the WII gets sales...i am upset that they like to play it safe and not give us something truly GREAT like galaxy 2...instead NSMB sells like crack...and thats not even close as to what galaxy 2 did....the fact of the matter is that nintendo is becoming lazy, proving IGN right

Im not going to tell you your wrong. Because your not, well not really.

The problem with you, IGN and people like you is that you like ot think of your opinions as fact. They are not facts. You have only played 5 great Wii games this gen huh? Very little Wii games are AAA? I find fault in this personally and so do a lot of other fans of the Wii. You say that Galaxy is way better than NSBWii? I enjoy Galaxy more, at least when im alone, too but that dosent change the fact that most people love NSMBWii way more than Galaxy. And please dont insult me by giving me the old metacritic crap either. The people reviewing these games are like you and the fanboys at IGN ( not calling you a fanboy because i can tell your not ). Even the ones that arent fanboys just cant understand the merits of games like NSMBWii and games like them, ie taking points off for no story line or online multiplayer. So Metacritic is flawed at best and biased at worst.

NSBWii is my personal GOTY for 09. Wrap your head around that...=0)

I do think you have great points about Nintendo playing it safe. Hey whats new? This has been Nintendo since they started. But i think its very insulting to call them lazy and its misinformed.

i could personally care less what your goty for 09 is.....and i am not insulting you with metacritic, but nintendo has made all this money, can they not come out with more AAA exclusives, i am sure they can, can they not come with a stronger online, i am sure they can....they prove the fanboys at IGN right with games like NSMB and , the point is that taking points off for having no online is the right thing to do, because they could easily add it....i mean look at sony and microsoft, when sony was making tons of money on ps2 they gave the public tons of AAA, AA, A ps2 games, even the 360, microsoft gave its gamers the best online anyone could ever dream of...now what has nintendo brought us, more mario without an online component, or even more characters....idk about you, but metacritic and IGN gives credit where its due, and its not due in the full nintendo games library.

You just dont understand what im trying to say.

First of all Why cant they come out with more AAA titles? I say they have. You say they havent. Thats an opinion for both of us, not fact. The only fact here is sales. So thats that.

Next can they have better online? I agree with you there online sucks. But please READ THIS CAREFULLY!. The online is the way it is because there tring to protect the kids. they want the moms to feel saef with little Johny snotbag playing there product. Im not saying i agree with it but i am saying its not lazy and has little to do with money.

Next no online is NSBWii. I was upset it wasent in there either. But from what i have read about explsionman, or whatever its called, it laggy as hell. Nintendo aint ganna put online in a 2d Mario unless it great. Lag in a 2d sidescroller is a deal breaker. Also you really need voice chat but there not ganna have this on the Wii because of, see point #2.

Next PS and MS pay 3rd parties to bring there great games to there systems. Yea so? Nintendo makes the Wiis great games and 3rd parties pick up the slack when Nintendo is in devloupment. I think there have been some great 3rd party games for Wii, you dont agree, see point #1. I never said anything bad about PS or MS games so i dont see why this is relivent.

Heres my advise.

#1. Sell your Wii

#2. Get a HD system, skip this if you already have one i cant tell sorry.

#3. ????

#4. profit!

Best of luck to you



Kage848 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Kage848 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Jumpin said:

No matter what IGN`s agenda is, they`re still not going to stop people from liking Nintendo games. I also find it funny that the people who care most about things like "Princess isn't in the game!!!!" are non-Nintendo owners and IGN.... Obviously not many others thought this important, because the game sold faster than any in history, proving IGN wrong.

 

The fact of the matter is that the people bashing on the Wii are fanboys who are upset that they lost to Nintendo this generation. Most gamers this generation are DS/Wii gamers. Fact of the matter is, Nintendo games are a lot of fun, and a lot of people like them.

wrong, i am not mad about that...i too own a WII but am only filled with regret...the WII left out the hardcore gamers....i have only had the delight of playing 5 good WII games this whole gen...very little WII games are AAA, i am not upset the WII gets sales...i am upset that they like to play it safe and not give us something truly GREAT like galaxy 2...instead NSMB sells like crack...and thats not even close as to what galaxy 2 did....the fact of the matter is that nintendo is becoming lazy, proving IGN right

Im not going to tell you your wrong. Because your not, well not really.

The problem with you, IGN and people like you is that you like ot think of your opinions as fact. They are not facts. You have only played 5 great Wii games this gen huh? Very little Wii games are AAA? I find fault in this personally and so do a lot of other fans of the Wii. You say that Galaxy is way better than NSBWii? I enjoy Galaxy more, at least when im alone, too but that dosent change the fact that most people love NSMBWii way more than Galaxy. And please dont insult me by giving me the old metacritic crap either. The people reviewing these games are like you and the fanboys at IGN ( not calling you a fanboy because i can tell your not ). Even the ones that arent fanboys just cant understand the merits of games like NSMBWii and games like them, ie taking points off for no story line or online multiplayer. So Metacritic is flawed at best and biased at worst.

NSBWii is my personal GOTY for 09. Wrap your head around that...=0)

I do think you have great points about Nintendo playing it safe. Hey whats new? This has been Nintendo since they started. But i think its very insulting to call them lazy and its misinformed.

i could personally care less what your goty for 09 is.....and i am not insulting you with metacritic, but nintendo has made all this money, can they not come out with more AAA exclusives, i am sure they can, can they not come with a stronger online, i am sure they can....they prove the fanboys at IGN right with games like NSMB and , the point is that taking points off for having no online is the right thing to do, because they could easily add it....i mean look at sony and microsoft, when sony was making tons of money on ps2 they gave the public tons of AAA, AA, A ps2 games, even the 360, microsoft gave its gamers the best online anyone could ever dream of...now what has nintendo brought us, more mario without an online component, or even more characters....idk about you, but metacritic and IGN gives credit where its due, and its not due in the full nintendo games library.

You just dont understand what im trying to say.

First of all Why cant they come out with more AAA titles? I say they have. You say they havent. Thats an opinion for both of us, not fact. The only fact here is sales. So thats that.

Next can they have better online? I agree with you there online sucks. But please READ THIS CAREFULLY!. The online is the way it is because there tring to protect the kids. they want the moms to feel saef with little Johny snotbag playing there product. Im not saying i agree with it but i am saying its not lazy and has little to do with money.

Next no online is NSBWii. I was upset it wasent in there either. But from what i have read about explsionman, or whatever its called, it laggy as hell. Nintendo aint ganna put online in a 2d Mario unless it great. Lag in a 2d sidescroller is a deal breaker. Also you really need voice chat but there not ganna have this on the Wii because of, see point #2.

Next PS and MS pay 3rd parties to bring there great games to there systems. Yea so? Nintendo makes the Wiis great games and 3rd parties pick up the slack when Nintendo is in devloupment. I think there have been some great 3rd party games for Wii, you dont agree, see point #1. I never said anything bad about PS or MS games so i dont see why this is relivent.

Heres my advise.

#1. Sell your Wii

#2. Get a HD system, skip this if you already have one i cant tell sorry.

#3. ????

#4. profit!

Best of luck to you

exactly what i was going to do lol, theres too many ps3 games to let up in Q1, and i need all the money i can get, and i am sure they can get around the kid problem with a high level of parental controls...that does not justify the fact that they have no online, you can see it as they want to protect the kids, but i see it as lazy/playing it safe, but theres just no real way to prove either of out assumptions



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Gnizmo said:
tuoyo said:

Sorry you are wrong.  I am the biggest Nintendo fan there is but as big a fan as I am I have been really pissed off the way some on this site have defended and excuse every move Nintendo has made.  It is not about them not caring about certain features it is about them just accepting anything Nintendo does.  Mario Kart is probably the best online experience this gen (at least certainly on the Wii) which is a big part of its ridiculously high sales but the way I have heard lack of online and other features so excused I am sure if Mario Kart did not have online people would be shouting about how it is and has always been a game for local multiplayer and it doesn't need online.

If I were wrong you wouldn't see NSMBWii shattering sales records, nor would the Wii be doing the same for the month of December. This is not hypothetical. This is a real market that quite clearly exists.

You MK example is weak though. I love the series. I have invested hundreds of hours into it. I have never taken MKWii online. I never will take MKWii online. If its online capability was magically eliminated tomorrow there would be no effect on my opinion of it. The game I play will be absolutely identical. Your values are not universal. When you get that then you can see why Nintendo is not being lazy, or doing the bare minimum. They are catering to their largest audience. Tough times for you if that doesn't if you aren't completely content with what they are offering. I am. You are welcome to be unhappy that they aren't pandering directly to you with every game, but the bottom line says the investment isn't a necessity if it doesn't fir a game well.

Well you are wrong to assume that 1. shattering records means maximum effort has been put into something or that 2. adding something could not make something a better game or cause it to have increased sales. 

1.  NSMBWii is an amazing game but a little more effort (to give other options besides two toads would have been much appreciated).  It would have required little additional effort but Nintendo took the view that adding more characters was too much of an effort and the game would sell well no matter what.  That is lazy anyway you look at it.  That is what IGN is complaining about.  I agree with them.  And if anyone other than Nintendo had done this (on PS3 or 360 - they would never put in the effort to make anything close to the quality of NSMBWii on Wii) then many who are defending Nintendo would be talking about lack of effort from third parties.

2.  Adding one feature in a game to satisfy a certain number of customers does not mean that the other bigger group of customers are not satisfied.  By that I mean let's assume most owners of MK Wii don't care about online (I think this is very wrong anyway and you are in the minority).  By taking these into account and making a quality local multiplayer game that does not mean they can't also put in the effort to make a quality online element for the smaller group that do care about online.  It is lazyness to be only able to meet the needs of one group.  If the developer is putting maximum effort then both elements of the game should be strong.  That is where the lazyness view comes in.  You feel as long as they satisfy your needs then they haven't been lazy.  I feel that the game should be absolutely complete in everyway for it not to be lazyness.  Complete depends on the nature of the game of course.  Metroid Prime is a single player exploration game so it is complete without multiplayer.  Wii Sports Resort is a multiplayer game and so for me it is not complete without online.  If it had online it may be that I would have never ever played it online.  But many would.  And so by not catering for that group that is lazyness.  That lazyness to me has come about from too much success and the decision that the increased sales online would bring does not justify the extra effort.  That is like me saying at work that I am not going to get an end of year bonus for putting maximum effort into a piece of work so I am just going to do the bare minimum required.  That is lazyness without a doubt. 

 



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tuoyo said:

Well you are wrong to assume that 1. shattering records means maximum effort has been put into something or that 2. adding something could not make something a better game or cause it to have increased sales.

1.  NSMBWii is an amazing game but a little more effort (to give other options besides two toads would have been much appreciated).  It would have required little additional effort but Nintendo took the view that adding more characters was too much of an effort and the game would sell well no matter what.  That is lazy anyway you look at it.  That is what IGN is complaining about.  I agree with them.  And if anyone other than Nintendo had done this (on PS3 or 360 - they would never put in the effort to make anything close to the quality of NSMBWii on Wii) then many who are defending Nintendo would be talking about lack of effort from third parties.

2.  Adding one feature in a game to satisfy a certain number of customers does not mean that the other bigger group of customers are not satisfied.  By that I mean let's assume most owners of MK Wii don't care about online (I think this is very wrong anyway and you are in the minority).  By taking these into account and making a quality local multiplayer game that does not mean they can't also put in the effort to make a quality online element for the smaller group that do care about online.  It is lazyness to be only able to meet the needs of one group.  If the developer is putting maximum effort then both elements of the game should be strong.  That is where the lazyness view comes in.  You feel as long as they satisfy your needs then they haven't been lazy.  I feel that the game should be absolutely complete in everyway for it not to be lazyness.  Complete depends on the nature of the game of course.  Metroid Prime is a single player exploration game so it is complete without multiplayer.  Wii Sports Resort is a multiplayer game and so for me it is not complete without online.  If it had online it may be that I would have never ever played it online.  But many would.  And so by not catering for that group that is lazyness.  That lazyness to me has come about from too much success and the decision that the increased sales online would bring does not justify the extra effort.  That is like me saying at work that I am not going to get an end of year bonus for putting maximum effort into a piece of work so I am just going to do the bare minimum required.  That is lazyness without a doubt.

 

You misinterpret me on both points. First off, if the game were half assed, and not absolutely amazing in the eyes of the consumers it would not sell so well. There is no room for debate in this. If people were just buying games at random we would see an even distribution pattern across all games as it is down to random chance. This does not happen though. As such, the game experience must have taken far far beyond no effort, or they got extremely lucky. Looking at how well crafted the NSMBWii levels, and mechanics are I would fall on the latter.

Your second point is idealistic non-sense. You have to release a game after a certain point. Blizzard, the king of delays, have canceled multiple games because the industry evolved to the point where the game could not be seen as good by the market as a whole.  This is not a matter of simply slapping on online. You cannot simply throw a few extra programmers onto a game and add new features. Software development simply does not work like that. They could have added online play, but then that would take time from something else. Development is not free, or magical. As such you prioritize what does, or does not fit the game and allocate resources from there. That means sometimes reducing the list of features to focus on the game play.



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tuoyo said:
Gnizmo said:
tuoyo said:

Sorry you are wrong.  I am the biggest Nintendo fan there is but as big a fan as I am I have been really pissed off the way some on this site have defended and excuse every move Nintendo has made.  It is not about them not caring about certain features it is about them just accepting anything Nintendo does.  Mario Kart is probably the best online experience this gen (at least certainly on the Wii) which is a big part of its ridiculously high sales but the way I have heard lack of online and other features so excused I am sure if Mario Kart did not have online people would be shouting about how it is and has always been a game for local multiplayer and it doesn't need online.

If I were wrong you wouldn't see NSMBWii shattering sales records, nor would the Wii be doing the same for the month of December. This is not hypothetical. This is a real market that quite clearly exists.

You MK example is weak though. I love the series. I have invested hundreds of hours into it. I have never taken MKWii online. I never will take MKWii online. If its online capability was magically eliminated tomorrow there would be no effect on my opinion of it. The game I play will be absolutely identical. Your values are not universal. When you get that then you can see why Nintendo is not being lazy, or doing the bare minimum. They are catering to their largest audience. Tough times for you if that doesn't if you aren't completely content with what they are offering. I am. You are welcome to be unhappy that they aren't pandering directly to you with every game, but the bottom line says the investment isn't a necessity if it doesn't fir a game well.

Well you are wrong to assume that 1. shattering records means maximum effort has been put into something or that 2. adding something could not make something a better game or cause it to have increased sales. 

1.  NSMBWii is an amazing game but a little more effort (to give other options besides two toads would have been much appreciated).  It would have required little additional effort but Nintendo took the view that adding more characters was too much of an effort and the game would sell well no matter what.  That is lazy anyway you look at it.  That is what IGN is complaining about.  I agree with them.  And if anyone other than Nintendo had done this (on PS3 or 360 - they would never put in the effort to make anything close to the quality of NSMBWii on Wii) then many who are defending Nintendo would be talking about lack of effort from third parties.

2.  Adding one feature in a game to satisfy a certain number of customers does not mean that the other bigger group of customers are not satisfied.  By that I mean let's assume most owners of MK Wii don't care about online (I think this is very wrong anyway and you are in the minority).  By taking these into account and making a quality local multiplayer game that does not mean they can't also put in the effort to make a quality online element for the smaller group that do care about online.  It is lazyness to be only able to meet the needs of one group.  If the developer is putting maximum effort then both elements of the game should be strong.  That is where the lazyness view comes in.  You feel as long as they satisfy your needs then they haven't been lazy.  I feel that the game should be absolutely complete in everyway for it not to be lazyness.  Complete depends on the nature of the game of course.  Metroid Prime is a single player exploration game so it is complete without multiplayer.  Wii Sports Resort is a multiplayer game and so for me it is not complete without online.  If it had online it may be that I would have never ever played it online.  But many would.  And so by not catering for that group that is lazyness.  That lazyness to me has come about from too much success and the decision that the increased sales online would bring does not justify the extra effort.  That is like me saying at work that I am not going to get an end of year bonus for putting maximum effort into a piece of work so I am just going to do the bare minimum required.  That is lazyness without a doubt. 

 

From my understanding of Nintendo’s development process in some of their studios, most games start off as simple demos of gameplay mechanics and Nintendo takes a collection of these mechanics and builds a game around them. In a similar fashion to how most agile software development shops work, Nintendo then builds a game that only has features which are essential to the experience they’re trying to produce. While you’re thinking of online as a simple technical feature that is easy to include in a game, Nintendo sees it as an entirely separate experience which needs to have all gameplay elements designed around.

 



Gnizmo said:
tuoyo said:

Well you are wrong to assume that 1. shattering records means maximum effort has been put into something or that 2. adding something could not make something a better game or cause it to have increased sales.

1.  NSMBWii is an amazing game but a little more effort (to give other options besides two toads would have been much appreciated).  It would have required little additional effort but Nintendo took the view that adding more characters was too much of an effort and the game would sell well no matter what.  That is lazy anyway you look at it.  That is what IGN is complaining about.  I agree with them.  And if anyone other than Nintendo had done this (on PS3 or 360 - they would never put in the effort to make anything close to the quality of NSMBWii on Wii) then many who are defending Nintendo would be talking about lack of effort from third parties.

2.  Adding one feature in a game to satisfy a certain number of customers does not mean that the other bigger group of customers are not satisfied.  By that I mean let's assume most owners of MK Wii don't care about online (I think this is very wrong anyway and you are in the minority).  By taking these into account and making a quality local multiplayer game that does not mean they can't also put in the effort to make a quality online element for the smaller group that do care about online.  It is lazyness to be only able to meet the needs of one group.  If the developer is putting maximum effort then both elements of the game should be strong.  That is where the lazyness view comes in.  You feel as long as they satisfy your needs then they haven't been lazy.  I feel that the game should be absolutely complete in everyway for it not to be lazyness.  Complete depends on the nature of the game of course.  Metroid Prime is a single player exploration game so it is complete without multiplayer.  Wii Sports Resort is a multiplayer game and so for me it is not complete without online.  If it had online it may be that I would have never ever played it online.  But many would.  And so by not catering for that group that is lazyness.  That lazyness to me has come about from too much success and the decision that the increased sales online would bring does not justify the extra effort.  That is like me saying at work that I am not going to get an end of year bonus for putting maximum effort into a piece of work so I am just going to do the bare minimum required.  That is lazyness without a doubt.

 

You misinterpret me on both points. First off, if the game were half assed, and not absolutely amazing in the eyes of the consumers it would not sell so well. There is no room for debate in this. If people were just buying games at random we would see an even distribution pattern across all games as it is down to random chance. This does not happen though. As such, the game experience must have taken far far beyond no effort, or they got extremely lucky. Looking at how well crafted the NSMBWii levels, and mechanics are I would fall on the latter.

Your second point is idealistic non-sense. You have to release a game after a certain point. Blizzard, the king of delays, have canceled multiple games because the industry evolved to the point where the game could not be seen as good by the market as a whole.  This is not a matter of simply slapping on online. You cannot simply throw a few extra programmers onto a game and add new features. Software development simply does not work like that. They could have added online play, but then that would take time from something else. Development is not free, or magical. As such you prioritize what does, or does not fit the game and allocate resources from there. That means sometimes reducing the list of features to focus on the game play.

On the first point I never said the game was half assed.  I am not even sure IGN with their anti-Wii bullshit ever said such a thing.  I will use a completely unrelated thing to prove why I am saying they are lazy.  The world record holder in the 100m and 200m - Usain Bolt.  He does about 3 hrs of training a day whilst his contemporaries may do as much as 6 hrs.  No doubt he is lazy and I think he has acknowledged that himself.  But his natural ability means he doesn't need to put in the same effort as the others.  If he was not as gifted as others he would be putting much more effort.  But there is no need for that is the decision he has made (and who can disagree with that).  Likewise Nintendo know they do not need to polish and perfect every small detail of NSMBWii because as it is the game would sell gazilions as it is.  If it was a 3rd party making the game they would put in the extra effort to e.g add a story and add more characters because they would need to add as much as possible to generate more sales (and we know how much the Mario name adds to sales - which is why I wish my Super Smash Bros was called Mario Smash Bros - although that raises the question of whether it is acceptable to have Pikachu, Zelda, Link, etc and still give it the Mario name).   The point about the lazyness is cutting corners where possible and where you feel it won't add any sales.  It is not the whole game that IGN is saying is lazy and for me it is just the lack of characters.  A small issue but it still illustrates the lazyness argument.

As for your second point many developers of big HD games have not had problem developing games which have all elements complete and without one element being slapped on and Nintendo achieved the same with Mario Kart Wii and Brawl and Mario Strikers.  If they chose not to do it elsewhere it was because (a) either they decided the extra effort wasnt worth the extra sales or (b) it didn't fit the game eg Metroid Prime.  I don't see how online doesn't fit Wii Sports Resort so in that case it is (a) for me.  Same goes for a non=Nintendo developed game - Mario & Sonic at the Olympics which till today I still curse Sega for depriving me of the pleasure of what would be a wonderful experience of 8 player online 400m races.



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