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The Ghost of RubangB said:
My favorite part of Spiderman was when all the New Yorkers teamed up and said something dumb like "Hey buddy this is New York! If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us!" and started cheering. I was wondering... have these jerk-offs ever been to New York? And then I remembered, oh duh, this was a post-9/11 love letter to New York, and basically an apology for putting the Twin Towers into that early teaser trailer, and then taking them back out.

I loved that part. Raimi cracks me up when he dials up the cheese. Besides, it's a friggin' superhero movie about a teenager that is bitten by a spider. Some of it should be a little tongue-in-cheek.




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Carnage is a lame villain. He's a psychopath and fits every lame cliched villain mold. Give me The Lizard any day of the week. Or go for the absurd and put in a character like The Rhino. Carnage is the ultimate of the lame villains created in the early 90s when comic creators grew tired of re-using the same guys created in the 60s and 70s but lacked the imagination to create anything that wasn't described as "BADASS" with big bold lettering.




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I found it so funny with the marketing of Spider-Man 3, as children went nuts over Spider-Man with black 'pajamas' (my dad coined that in our family when I was younger and watching Power Rangers, saying they were in pajamas). I work at a daycare, so the toddler/pre-K boys were OBSESSED with "Black Spider-Man" (aka Spider-Man under the 'influence' of Venom). They would be running around outside yelling, "YEEAAH! I'm BWACK SPIDA-MAN!!" Then the boys would be arguing with each other and then throwing bark chips at each other (since they couldn't create webs); oh God, so funny.

Then when it was Bicycle Day, all these boys had the stupid 'tricked-out, plastic padded' themed Spider-Man 3 bicycles. Funny thing is that nearly all of the little boys had the same bicycle, so we had them getting in fights on who had the best bike. There were only 2 boys who didn't care about Spider-Man at all, so when it came to sharing their bikes from home, they didn't know which was which so they were arguing and pushing, and the 2 boys who didn't like Spider-Man would switch their bikes with the girls. I showed the boys one day on how 'silly' their own bikes were because I brought mine (I drove my car, so it was hard to cram it in there since I wrecked the van a few weeks earlier that summer) and showed them that having a 'flashy' bicycle like theirs meant nothing when it came to performance, and I tore up dirt faster than them peddling their bikes.

The pre-K boys also brought in their Spider-Man action figures and were arguing about sharing, plus a few of the boys had the same toy, so they didn't know who had whose toy.

Then I told them something that got them really upset... (this was when Sony was still in deep financial trouble as a whole before the reconstruction), "Did you know that the movie company that's making Spider-Man is having a hard time with the next movie? So there may or may not be another movie." (this was before the supposed Spider-Man 4 was mentioned that I said this). The one boy told me, "Oh well, Mr. Adam, I still have my Batman toys."

PS: Wasn't Spider-Man already in 3D (not with glasses, I'm talking about 3 dimensional as in real-time)? So there wouldn't be a need for 3D. And the first Spider-Man was made nearly 10 years ago...so why give it a reboot for? I liked the Spider-Man show (3D cell-shading or whatever, it looked like the comics but more stylized) that was shown on MTV several years ago. Now THAT was awesome.



Boutros said:
darthdevidem01 said:

Raimi Walking From Spider-Man 4 is Good...He was showing respect to the Spider-Man Character:

http://www.moviehole.net/201022855-caffeinated-clint-my-spider-senses


I'll sum it up being it was a lot of reading:

- Spider-man 4 DID feature Peter and Mary Jane with a baby.
- Vulturess was added in the script, at the request of the studio.
- Vulturess was a retooled version of Black Cat.
- Vulture was the editor of the Daily Bugle.
- Script was apparently pure crap.
- Raimi had lost hope in the project and walked.
- The studio also wanted to add a third villain.
- Anne Hathaway was gone from the project late last year (my guess is when Sony turned the Black Cat into the Vulturess).





But is there hope for the reboot?

For the reboot:
- The script is much better than the script for Spider-man 4.
- The script IS complete, and was finished at the same time as SM4, allowing the studio to compare the two.
- The script was commissioned as a contingency plan, should Raimi walk.
- Unfortunately, they describe the script as "more Dark Knight than Spider-man".
- The new film is the first part in a new trilogy.
- The aim of the script is to cut the "fluff" - which they speculate means no humour and a serious tone.

___________

DAMN IT

the last thing we need is clones of that overrated movie THE DARK KNIGHT

bah

A baby! Awwww... Me still sad :(

 

The Dark Knight was such a fail, I don't want Spider-Man to fail :(

What.

I loved the Dark Knight. >_> 



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c03n3nj0 said:
Boutros said:
darthdevidem01 said:

Raimi Walking From Spider-Man 4 is Good...He was showing respect to the Spider-Man Character:

http://www.moviehole.net/201022855-caffeinated-clint-my-spider-senses


I'll sum it up being it was a lot of reading:

- Spider-man 4 DID feature Peter and Mary Jane with a baby.
- Vulturess was added in the script, at the request of the studio.
- Vulturess was a retooled version of Black Cat.
- Vulture was the editor of the Daily Bugle.
- Script was apparently pure crap.
- Raimi had lost hope in the project and walked.
- The studio also wanted to add a third villain.
- Anne Hathaway was gone from the project late last year (my guess is when Sony turned the Black Cat into the Vulturess).





But is there hope for the reboot?

For the reboot:
- The script is much better than the script for Spider-man 4.
- The script IS complete, and was finished at the same time as SM4, allowing the studio to compare the two.
- The script was commissioned as a contingency plan, should Raimi walk.
- Unfortunately, they describe the script as "more Dark Knight than Spider-man".
- The new film is the first part in a new trilogy.
- The aim of the script is to cut the "fluff" - which they speculate means no humour and a serious tone.

___________

DAMN IT

the last thing we need is clones of that overrated movie THE DARK KNIGHT

bah

A baby! Awwww... Me still sad :(

 

The Dark Knight was such a fail, I don't want Spider-Man to fail :(

What.

I loved the Dark Knight. >_> 

It was a good movie but not such a great Batman movie imo.



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Boutros said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Boutros said:

A baby! Awwww... Me still sad :(

 

The Dark Knight was such a fail, I don't want Spider-Man to fail :(

What.

I loved the Dark Knight. >_> 

It was a good movie but not such a great Batman movie imo.

Dark Knight was AWESOME!



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Hawk said:
Boutros said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Boutros said:

A baby! Awwww... Me still sad :(

 

The Dark Knight was such a fail, I don't want Spider-Man to fail :(

What.

I loved the Dark Knight. >_> 

It was a good movie but not such a great Batman movie imo.

Dark Knight was AWESOME!

Well...I wouldn't say awesome but great nonetheless. Spider-man is better



Boutros said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Boutros said:
darthdevidem01 said:

Raimi Walking From Spider-Man 4 is Good...He was showing respect to the Spider-Man Character:

http://www.moviehole.net/201022855-caffeinated-clint-my-spider-senses


I'll sum it up being it was a lot of reading:

- Spider-man 4 DID feature Peter and Mary Jane with a baby.
- Vulturess was added in the script, at the request of the studio.
- Vulturess was a retooled version of Black Cat.
- Vulture was the editor of the Daily Bugle.
- Script was apparently pure crap.
- Raimi had lost hope in the project and walked.
- The studio also wanted to add a third villain.
- Anne Hathaway was gone from the project late last year (my guess is when Sony turned the Black Cat into the Vulturess).





But is there hope for the reboot?

For the reboot:
- The script is much better than the script for Spider-man 4.
- The script IS complete, and was finished at the same time as SM4, allowing the studio to compare the two.
- The script was commissioned as a contingency plan, should Raimi walk.
- Unfortunately, they describe the script as "more Dark Knight than Spider-man".
- The new film is the first part in a new trilogy.
- The aim of the script is to cut the "fluff" - which they speculate means no humour and a serious tone.

___________

DAMN IT

the last thing we need is clones of that overrated movie THE DARK KNIGHT

bah

A baby! Awwww... Me still sad :(

 

The Dark Knight was such a fail, I don't want Spider-Man to fail :(

What.

I loved the Dark Knight. >_> 

It was a good movie but not such a great Batman movie imo.

Really? It was more Batman than any other Batman movie I've seen. Maybe Batman Begins... Dunno, Nolan has done a WAY better job of capturing the character than anyone else in Hollywood.




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Boutros said:

This thread is not emo enough.

:'(

Fixed

OT: Well, there goes Tobey Maguire's career!