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Galaki said:
Nintendo fund other companies? How about funding their own games? That's the better idea.

I wasn't aware they had a problem funding their own games.  They're one of the biggest game developers who puts pretty much as much money into every game that's needed.

And just for the record, they do help fund other companies projects.  They've been doing it since the NES days.  They just don't go around announcing it.  Perhaps you've heard of games like Eternal Darkness, Rogue Squadron 2, Endless Ocean, Fatal Frame 4, etc.  The problem with this practice on the Wii is, third parties expect a free ride from Nintendo.  They want Nintendo to flip the bill for much of the development, then produce and distribute the game, THEN pay for advertising.  In other words, they just want to make the game and get a large percent of the cut, while Nintendo does all the work.  Nintendo has told them 'we're doing quite well without you, get off your lazy butt'.

Now this doesn't exactly connect back to Little King Story as they tried to make a good game.  But it does tie into many of the other companies, such as EA, Ubisoft, Tecmo, Sega and Capcom who have all pulled this stunt.



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jammy2211 said:
Malachi said:
68soul said:
Galaki said:
Nintendo fund other companies? How about funding their own games? That's the better idea.

 

Oh, c'mon... they're already doin' it for more than 20 years... and just give me the name of any other company who could afford to work 4 years on the next chapter of a game like Zelda?

No, really, money isn't a problem anymore for Nintendo: 3 to 5 billions of BENEFITS each year, for now 5 years, just do the math...

In fact, Nintendo's now so rich that they're in the Top 5 of all japanese companies, while Sony isn't even in the Top 20 anymore... and you see what Sony does, in music, in movies, in television and electronics, in gaming, in future 3D tech?

Nintendo has enough money to do even better, but what do they do? Fund the next Zelda, the next Galaxy, and the next Pikmin? Prepare for the successors of Wii and DS? OK, all that cost some money, but it's only a small fraction of their fortune... a very, very small fraction, believe me...

 

Edit: oh, and something else i forgot... Nintendo has only 4000 employees... some of them in the commercial departments, some of them in the hardware departements... which leaves "only" 2000 to 3000 guys actually workin' on games...

It's nice, but is it enough to do even more AAA games on both Wii and DS? No, not at all... the only solution is to buy some smaller companies and make them 2nd party, or do some partnerships with some talented teams and indeed, fund their games and make these exclusive to their consoles... just like Sony and Microsoft sometimes do, btw, it's nothing THAT special in this business...

But if you prefer to see Nintendo do nothing, sitting on their money, and waiting for 3rd parties to come, be prepared to wait for many many years, as we all have seen they're not comin', at all...

 

I am sick and tired of this crap about how Nintendo should throw money at third party for nothing. This isn't a charity and they sure as hell shouldn't help company that support their competitor. You want money? Then sign an exclusivity deal with Nintendo and become second party. Hell if you want my advice they should raise the license cost of the big third party that gave them crap support. Give them a choice, either you support our console more or you can forget any profit you make on them, see which company go bankrupt first, ill bet you it won't be Nintendo.

This is not like any third party title pushed console sale for the Wii, it's all been Nintendo. They tried the carrot by give them the fastest growing userbase in history, it's time to try the stick The carrot isn't gonna work anyway because both Sony and Microsoft are ready to go billion in the red to give them a bigger one because that the only thing that differency them and the one who got the most "win".

Bold - Isn't that the sort of arrogance that ballsed up Nintendo's domination post-SNES era? I can tell you now that will definitely NOT help Nintendo's cause. 

No, that the sort of arrogance that put them in control of the whole console industry. What some fail to understand is that third party aren't Nintendo friend, they are their competitor. They are their competitor because the produce game on other console and because they produce copycat of Nintendo game that can hurt sale of say game. Remove all the third party sale for MS, Sony and Nintendo console, what would happen? MS and Sony would not be able to be viable console maker anymore while Nintendo still could, they essentially did that during the N64 and GC era. In the end third party help their competitor more than they could ever help them.

By upping the licensing cost of multiplat game on their system and lowering the licensing cost of exclusive (not timed exclusive game)  they would cut profit to third party that help their competitor more than them and help the one that do support them more. Helping the profitbility of your competitor simply doesn't make any business sense.



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Nintendo shouldn't increase the licencing fees for their console, it would drive away third parties. But yes, it is true that in many ways, they are in a unique position because not only are they a console creator, but also a competitor for other companies on their own systems (and other systems) at the same time.

Still, as they found out with the N64 and GC and are finding out now with the Wii even in the #1 spot, they need third parties to make a successful console. But as third parties are finding now, they can't just ignore Nintendo anymore, because Nintendo can turn the tables and become nearly 60% of the entire gaming market themselves.



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come on guys, nothing went wrong!

the game really has Nintendo quality and is awesome

what went wrong is marketing and promoting the game, noone knew hoe great the game was until we read reviews, and even the cover i can say went wrong, cause the cover suggests of a cheap and childish bad game which the Wii has a lot

they should have made a 3D style cover, something like de blob cover

i want LKS sequel but i know it's impossible, it's like asking Marvelous to loose money and time : (



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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
come on guys, nothing went wrong!

the game really has Nintendo quality and is awesome

what went wrong is marketing and promoting the game, noone knew hoe great the game was until we read reviews, and even the cover i can say went wrong, cause the cover suggests of a cheap and childish bad game which the Wii has a lot

they should have made a 3D style cover, something like de blob cover

i want LKS sequel but i know it's impossible, it's like asking Marvelous to loose money and time : (

Actually, I'd say the cover is fine.  Aside from it being bright and colorful (which will only detract from those who are already uncomfortable with playing those types of games), it is rather to-the-point and shows the cheeky/teen centered humor of the game off well.  With the adolecent king sporting a smirk and sitting cross-legged on his throne and all the rest of the cast supporting him.

But you hit on the real problem with the game.  The problem nearly every Wii game has.  It wasn't advertised.  And for the most part, it not only looks like 90% of its sales came from off-the-shelf purchases, but from only 'core' stores like GameStop.  Even months after its release, major chain stores like Wal-Mart, Best Buy and etc still weren't even stocking the game.  Its hard to buy a game if no one knows its out there.



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