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Hard real-time systems are very difficult to do in software, especially on multicore machines. I suspect they will have a very hard time guaranteeing 100ms deadlines. Almost all the realtime vision people I know in industry, do their work on FPGAs for this very reason.



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lvader said:
Bamboleo said:
lvader said:
If it's true, I'm no longer interested.

because....?

Because it's the onboard processing that made it interesting. Now it just another camera accessory.

I thought it was games, that turns hardware interesting, not the hardware itself. But it is ok. respect.



Ok, to stop this crap. Here is the video from CES 2010. It was shown at 6:30pm Jan 6th 2010 in Us time. 2:30am UK time. Natal uses ardware to do exactly what was said at E3. To fully track the body in realtime is all done on hardware and confirmed less than 24 houtrs ago. The only thing software does is enable to interpret where the limbs are and what angle the joints are at. EVERYTHING ELSE IS HARDWARE! Natal hardware itaself evalutes trillions of body configurations every frame. Itself. On it's own. No CPU used from 360. Is everyone disregarding CES keynote altogether????????????????????

It says for limb interpretation and joint angle is what software is used for. Thats IT! Go to 1:10 on the video, then someone close this thread.



Lots of people where pushing the importance of the oboard processing as key to it's implenentation. Now it's like whatever! I figure if MS thought it important enough to put it in in the first place then there must have been a reason for it. I had very high expectations for Natal, now I can see MS scaling down the entire project.



selnor said:

.. Natal hardware itaself evalutes trillions of body configurations every frame.

No it obviously doesn't. Where did you get that idea from?



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drkohler said:
selnor said:

.. Natal hardware itaself evalutes trillions of body configurations every frame.

No it obviously doesn't. Where did you get that idea from?

From M$ at CES less than 24 hours ago. LOL. You all should see more Natal CES stuff. LOL. At least this thread is funny. The more hate a product gets. History tells us they are usually HUGELY successful.



10-15% of 360's CPU = almost half a core just for the motion processing.

Unless they meant 10-15% of one core. But that's not what the wording of the article seems to imply.



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NJ5 said:
10-15% of 360's CPU = almost half a core just for the motion processing.

Unless they meant 10-15% of one core. But that's not what the wording of the article seems to imply.

Please feel free to see CES 2010 on Natal. The only software Natal has is for limb interpretation and joint angles. Thats it. Confirmed by M$ less than 24 hours ago. Close the goddamn thread.



selnor said:
NJ5 said:
10-15% of 360's CPU = almost half a core just for the motion processing.

Unless they meant 10-15% of one core. But that's not what the wording of the article seems to imply.

Please feel free to see CES 2010 on Natal. The only software Natal has is for limb interpretation and joint angles. Thats it. Confirmed by M$ less than 24 hours ago. Close the goddamn thread.

Then maybe the article is saying limb and joint interpretation takes 10-15% of the CPU... so my point still stands.

 



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selnor said:

Ok, to stop this crap. Here is the video from CES 2010. It was shown at 6:30pm Jan 6th 2010 in Us time. 2:30am UK time. Natal uses ardware to do exactly what was said at E3. To fully track the body in realtime is all done on hardware and confirmed less than 24 houtrs ago. The only thing software does is enable to interpret where the limbs are and what angle the joints are at. EVERYTHING ELSE IS HARDWARE! Natal hardware itaself evalutes trillions of body configurations every frame. Itself. On it's own. No CPU used from 360. Is everyone disregarding CES keynote altogether????????????????????

It says for limb interpretation and joint angle is what software is used for. Thats IT! Go to 1:10 on the video, then someone close this thread.

 

i appoligize, when in that video is there any explicit information about the physical locaction of where any processing power comes from because i went to 1:10 and i didn't heard anything specific towards any conclusion.