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Avinash_Tyagi on 18 January 2010
Lord Flashheart said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

I can predict the future by using business strategy, read Christensen, of the Harvard business school, and you'll understand.

No the reason people hate is because a product is supposed to satisfy the need for a job to be fulfilled, when it doesn't thats when people point out its flaws

Did you undertsand it?

Harvard. An ok school, I'll read up using literature from Cambridge. Hey now that means I can predict the future better than you.

So natal hasn't fulfilled the need for the job it's supposed to. you know this because it's out already? Because you've tried it? It doesn't do full body depth tracking? Oh wait? Guess it's filled it's brief.

Please, leave your snobbery at the door. You can't predict the future and to flat out claim you can is laughable. You don't know, very few do and those that predict it accurately were lucky than anything else. Did you predict the success of the Wii?

I bet you did.

Actually these strategies were the very strategies Nintendo employed this gen, Reggie even pointed them out in 2005 (blue ocean and disruption)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5foJ-cwj4Mk

 

Its not snobbery, its just simple understanding of the market



 

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Lord Flashheart on 18 January 2010
Fei-Hung said:

This is what will change the world

Natal is good and I am sure over the years the Natal tech will improve, but next to this, it is still far off from becoming an Industry standard. Novelty wears of quickly. It takes less precision and effort to push a button on a remote than to wave your arms around.

However, I will hold my final judgement until Natal is released.

So I have to wear coloured thimbles over my fingers. Hold on I want to use the maps. Got my phone but I don't want to press the button on screen so hold on while I get my condom tips out. 2....3.... Shit I lost one.

What's the point, I just want to press buttons, tactile response, it's making a simple job complicated, you'll never take my joypad away from me...

I can see why people blindly hate products before trying them now. That sense of superiority and ego boost it gives you when that looming threat of something new and different walks up to you.

But seriously I seen that a while ago and it looks impressive. Once the are able to put it in phones so you don't have to walk around like a PE teacher with you stopwatch around your neck or plasters on the tips of my fingers I want it.



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JaggedSac on 18 January 2010
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

I can predict the future by using business strategy, read Christensen, of the Harvard business school, and you'll understand.

No the reason people hate is because a product is supposed to satisfy the need for a job to be fulfilled, when it doesn't thats when people point out its flaws

What are the needs of gaming?  What need did Wii Fit provide the satisfaction to?

People who don;t want a game that takes too much time out of their life, but can help them be a bit active, these gamers don't want to be immersed in a game world, they want something that will work within their lives

Those sound like wants, not needs.



Lord Flashheart on 18 January 2010

And you predicted it Avin I bet? That motion control instead of a joypad would save Ninty? I'm sure you unlike many others who work and have deeper expert knowledge of the market foresaw it being a success.

Got to love hindsight.



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pauly989 on 18 January 2010

Wow these claims just get more dramatic each day. Natal has not changed the world it's still round. If it could cure cancer that would change the world. Running at 30fps wont tho:)



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MontanaHatchet on 18 January 2010

By God, is this what Vgchartz is coming to?

Look, I'm someone who is not a big fan of Natal. I'm more excited for Sony's motion controller, and I think its potential effect on the market has been exaggerated heavily. Yet at the same time, some of you are being absolutely pathetic. Is this the kind of trolling people can get away with these days? This thread is terrible. Not because of a bad subject, not because it was poorly made, but just because of the people posting in it. No wonder the community has gone downhill. Why aren't the Natal fans, who just want to have a discussion on a piece of technology in peace, reporting these people? I'll do it, but I'm disappointed in so many of you.

Anywho, I think Natal could end up being a really great product, but I don't think it will be changing the world anytime soon. I see it being used as a peripheral for casual games over Xbox Live (which are a pretty big market), and expanding into bigger games. I'm excited to see what happens.



 

 

richardhutnik on 18 January 2010
jarypo_87 said:
Natal is just an accessory for those two stupid to use a keyboard and mouse. It's been the plan of Microsoft for ages. (Mostly for military applications)

Anyway, this is the death of gaming and technology I suppose. Changing the world? This thing is absolutely nothing special and it's a shame. As a hardware engineer I find it insulting, I guess money can even make shit smell like roses.

Banned without comment.  I guess the post above explains fully why.



megaman79 on 18 January 2010
BoneyBoy said:



"I believe that this will be the largest leap of TV experience since the remote control," he said.

Wow. Goodluck with that. You know, everything that doesn't relate AT ALL to video games.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

megaman79 on 18 January 2010
Fei-Hung said:

This is what will change the world

Natal is good and I am sure over the years the Natal tech will improve, but next to this, it is still far off from becoming an Industry standard. Novelty wears of quickly. It takes less precision and effort to push a button on a remote than to wave your arms around.

However, I will hold my final judgement until Natal is released.

I love TED lectures. I feel more intelligent after watching tv for once.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

Fei-Hung on 18 January 2010
Lord Flashheart said:
Fei-Hung said:

This is what will change the world

Natal is good and I am sure over the years the Natal tech will improve, but next to this, it is still far off from becoming an Industry standard. Novelty wears of quickly. It takes less precision and effort to push a button on a remote than to wave your arms around.

However, I will hold my final judgement until Natal is released.

So I have to wear coloured thimbles over my fingers. Hold on I want to use the maps. Got my phone but I don't want to press the button on screen so hold on while I get my condom tips out. 2....3.... Shit I lost one.

What's the point, I just want to press buttons, tactile response, it's making a simple job complicated, you'll never take my joypad away from me...

I can see why people blindly hate products before trying them now. That sense of superiority and ego boost it gives you when that looming threat of something new and different walks up to you.

But seriously I seen that a while ago and it looks impressive. Once the are able to put it in phones so you don't have to walk around like a PE teacher with you stopwatch around your neck or plasters on the tips of my fingers I want it.

Agree with you. The tech is awesome but not practical at its given physical state lol

OT: the tech in Natal doesn't worry me as much as what MS's intentions are. If MS just wants to make money from it and catch up to the Wii, we will see a lot of shovelware. However, if MS put effort into introducing Natal into hardcore games, I think it may work wonders.

My other gripe is I hate gaming without physically having anything to hold or touch. The sense of touch in gaming makes you feel more incontrol. I remember how frustrating the eyetoy was when you would do something and it wouldn't come out as intended and I would think to myself, "damn, if I had a joy pad I wouldn't have screwed up there".

Voice recognition should be awesome if implemented into games like Snatch and Heavy Rain. Games where the tone of your voice and facial recognition can add to the gameplay. This is why the demo for Identify on the PS3 got me quite excited.

At the end of the day though, when it comes to Natal or the PS3 Gem, we have no idea to what level they will be implementing it in games and what sort of software devs like Ubisoft will release. I don't want no cooking mama or 360/ PS3 fit.

On the other hand, I do miss the dancing games from the last gen. If Natal can pick up movement as well as MS claims, you could potentially have better dancing games than the last gen without the use of those dance mats.