I'm sorry, but Natal will be a massive flop. The hardcore like precison in their controls, and a large portion of them were once very vocal about their opposition to motion contorls on the Wii.. What makes you think they would change their tone when MS does it?

As for the casuals, they like games that are accessible, quick fun, pick up and play experiences. I just don't see this with Natal. It seems to hinder the gameplay more than enhance it, and makes it more complicated rather than simplify it.

The majority of games simply cannot be played with simply body motions and no controllers. It's just impossible. Natal will have a few really fun simple games, but the majority of genres out there need a controller with buttons to be playable. For instance, how in the hell do you propose controlling a 3-D FPS with just your body motions? I mean are you supposed to jog in place to move? Nobody ever talks about these issues..

Now as an addon IN ADDITION to traditional controls, it may be useful, but there is no way it can work on its own for 99% of games. It's a flop in the making, and anyone hyping this up as the next big thing are either hardcore MS fanboys convinced that anything MS makes is gold, or they are viral marketers working for MS.

Nobody talks about how to control an FPS with Natal?  I take it you have not been on the forums for around 6 months or so.

:) people do, curious people even and instead of a logical legitimate response to how it can be implemented fluidly, theyre shouted down, or quoted down haha, and called fanboys.

Then everyone who owns a PS3 gets called a name and told theyre bias for loving the wand even when they either dont or have never said anything about it.

Such is forum life.

Id love for natal to work, but for the life of me i cant imagine how ill be able to enjoy the games i enjoy now. I bought and tried the wii, loved super paper mario, enjoyed twilight princess, but at the end of the day i just wanted a controller in my hands and my feet up on a couch and i realized i wouldnt get that often enough from the wii so i moved on. Yet i own a PS3 so im not allowed an opinion on such things either :)

NATAL can survive on hype alone.

Yes, it's a gimmick and yes the masses are gullable enough to snatch it up like candy.

Mark my words :)

So you lied?

Fable 3 will use Natal for jobs, like being a black smith, chopping wood and what. It will act like a real job. You heard it here first. 

1-19-2009

Natal is not like the wii mote or wand. It is way more advanced.

For me the best two videos for natal are the Fallon show (Just look at the FUN they are having) and this is with a retro fit racing game and an extremely early prototype game. The other is the video with the boffins in it, I think they actually manage to explain some of the fundamental differences between Natal and the other motion controls systems available. I am not sure why so many are fixating on "Core" and "FPS" games, I think what Natal will bring is fun which is why the Wii did so well. The Wii adverts just exude fun even if the fun is short lived it is tangible. Watching somebody play any normal game be it on a console or a PC and well it is pretty boring as a spectator.

By the way the jump suits were not required for the Natal to work but were supposed to be fun and yes Kudo looks like a tube in dark glasses but obviously nobody wants to tell him or he is to think skinned to listen.

We are still in the phobia mode of motion controls. Humans are stupid by nature and new things scare the crap out us but as time goes on only the most scared and those that motion controls genuinly aren't for will object to it.

Once this initial phase is over motion controls will be here to stay and implimented not just in games but a wide range of areas. There are a few clever people that will come up with novel, simple uses for it that will help those fearful to slowly adapt. The waggle stick and accelerometers in mobiles started it now the wavy depthcam and dil...zit on a stick will continue. Something else will come out to take it further and so on.
It's called progress. A slow process due to peoples irrational and fearful nature but it does happen.

@BoneyBoy: No, Natal can't survive on hype alone. It needs software.