Squilliam said: NSMB Wii is better than most all games out there for being a game near anyone can play. If Hardcore games were movies, the hardcore movies would be a badly degraded VHS whilst the casual movie would be pristine Blu Ray. Noone can really argue that pristine Blu Ray generally gives a better quality of experience even if you love that degraded VHS to death.

Out of metaphors, VHS > Blu Ray

You just can't kill the nostalgic feel of a noisy tape. You simply can't 

Bamboleo said: Squilliam said: NSMB Wii is better than most all games out there for being a game near anyone can play. If Hardcore games were movies, the hardcore movies would be a badly degraded VHS whilst the casual movie would be pristine Blu Ray. Noone can really argue that pristine Blu Ray generally gives a better quality of experience even if you love that degraded VHS to death. Out of metaphors, VHS > Blu Ray   You just can't kill the nostalgic feel of a noisy tape. You simply can't

LOL, I still watch Superman 1 to this day! I wouldn't replace it for no Blu Ray or DVD in the world! Its part of the experience rewinding the tape because you forgot to last time!

You first say that people are not Mario fans in point 1.

Second you point you say that other 2D platform games don't count but that people are still interested in Mario.

That is a pretty big contradiction there pal.

Yes, a 2D platform game has more average everyday cosnumer appeal because it is less complicated. Mario is a very well known name and is very popular, anything with Mario in it's names sells at least a few million copies. So I do believe the Mario Fans argument does work fully.

No here we are again at an impasse. NSMB Wii does have it's own niche. It markets to the Mario Fans and 2D platforming fans. It may also market to the people who want a simple game to pick up and play. Either way, it is a niche according to the wiki-article you pulled up as gospel.

Halo also has more then 1 niche. FPS fans, Action game fans,  people who want to buy a popular game because thier friend has it. (I personally think halo only did as well as it did because of the hype engine behind it and less about game play or quality of the game. Nintendo Wii fall into the same catagory. But this is an argument for another thread.)

Let's get back on topic and stop contradicting ourselves, shall we?

no it's not it's a flop

it may have outsold 99.5% of PS360 titles, but it's a flop, you just can't deny it

Sony and MS dream of flopping so hard

Nintendo is sooo doomed! (haha)

Contradiciton? Only in your mind, Sir.

You recoursed to Mario fans and blame them for massive sales of NSMB:Wii just to put the title in a box and call it niche, too.

If anyone, from every age group and cultural background, can engulf joy fest which is known as Mario, and you call all that masses of people a Mario fanboys, well... carry on. I feel just feebleness and boredom in such a case as yours.

This game had a great start because it appealed a considerable amount of "hardcore" players, and! it has great legs in addition, it seems pretty win to me :), not to mention.. this game is above many of the friendly wii games in quality (nothing agains´t the wii series)

@MDMAniac, My point was.... Halo is not niche in videogame circles. A case in point would be Epic Mickey for instance, a game which I am confused about the hype for to be honest. I will happily recognise that Mickey Mouse is a household name, and certainly not a niche character worldwide... but a Mickey Mouse game in my view will be quite a niche title and will only manage 1million+ in sales because Disney push it for all it's worth. As someone else on another thread said: Epic Mickey is too "kiddy" for older and 'hardcore' gamers, but the actual game setting is too dark for the young children. It only appeals to a small set of gamers (I could turn out to be wrong and it may be a multimillion seller, but I can still use it as an example)

Any argument that claims Halo 3 is niche is claiming video games are niche, simple as that. FPS games sell a ton, and I know people from 5 years old to 50 that play them. It is easily the most popular genre in gaming right now. Platforming is not even close to as popular, and 2D gaming is even less popular than that. If anything NSMBWii should be considered niche in the context of the video gaming world, and we already know a similar game wouldn't do nearly as well without the Mario name. But neither are. If a game can sell more than 1-2 million, it's not niche. If it can sell more than 10 million it's really, really not niche. Love simulators are niche, platformers and FPSs are mainstream.