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Final-Fan on 09 January 2010
hatmoza said:
what exactly are you pointing out there?
Edit: this was for FF

You said "you trying to persuade SFB to use the mafia kill instead of attempting to go after the dragon rubs me the wrong way."

And you previously said "The only reason I could see someone making such a poor choice of 'going after the dragon' when they can clearly try to help the town out by night killing is because they don't have the ability." 

If anything that's a stronger objection than mine.  So if objecting to SFB using the Knight power instead of the Mafia power makes you think I'm the dragon, maybe it's because I'm acting like you, and you're the dragon.  So you said "Aha, FF is talking a lot about the dragon so this is a good opportunity to get someone else suspected of it!" 

@ SFB:  remember, the Knight power only works on the Dragon.  If you check a mafia member he will come up innocent (of being the dragon).  Outright killing has the risk of getting a townie but will also get the bad guys no matter who they are.  Example:  hatmoza is a big suspect as the dragon AND as a mafia.  So killing him "checks" for both affiliations; and at worst you saved us a day of lynching. 



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dsister44 on 09 January 2010
TruckOSaurus said:
@dsister44: Please reconsider, it could be a great opportunity for us to finally have some information we can use. If we go along with this plan, it means you'll at least get protected tonight since we need you alive to tell us what happened in the morning.

How exactly am I getting protected? 



Final-Fan on 09 January 2010
SciFiBoy said:
im somewhat confused here, people WANT me to use the nightkill, even though I CANT be sure that I would be targetting someone who is anti-town?

Im willing to listen to suggestions, but the fact that some people seem un-nerved by my suggestion that I would look for the dragon is suspicious in itself

at the moment, im leaning toward using the dragon slay power on Hatmoza (something about him has been bugging me all game, I think he could be the dragon which would explain why he is so keen for me to be lynched, if he isnt, then he will be fine and I can clear him of being that particular role)

im open to suggestions, if most of you think I should go after a specific person with one of my powers, then please say.

*I can also use curse if I want, but that has the same risk as nightkill*

Please allow me to quote myself:  "remember, the Knight power only works on the Dragon.  If you check a mafia member he will come up innocent (of being the dragon).  Outright killing has the risk of getting a townie but will also get the bad guys no matter who they are.  Example:  hatmoza is a big suspect as the dragon AND as a mafia.  So killing him "checks" for both affiliations; and at worst you saved us a day of lynching."



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hatmoza on 09 January 2010

SFB something else is bugging me, and I'm going to assume you're telling the truth for a moment. You can simply kill someone you're suspicious of. Why use the dragon slay thingy??? Do you win if you find the dragon or something?



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SciFiBoy on 09 January 2010
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
what exactly are you pointing out there?
Edit: this was for FF

You said "you trying to persuade SFB to use the mafia kill instead of attempting to go after the dragon rubs me the wrong way."

And you previously said "The only reason I could see someone making such a poor choice of 'going after the dragon' when they can clearly try to help the town out by night killing is because they don't have the ability." 

If anything that's a stronger objection than mine.  So if objecting to SFB using the Knight power instead of the Mafia power makes you think I'm the dragon, maybe it's because I'm acting like you, and you're the dragon.  So you said "Aha, FF is talking a lot about the dragon so this is a good opportunity to get someone else suspected of it!" 

@ SFB:  remember, the Knight power only works on the Dragon.  If you check a mafia member he will come up innocent (of being the dragon).  Outright killing has the risk of getting a townie but will also get the bad guys no matter who they are.  Example:  hatmoza is a big suspect as the dragon AND as a mafia.  So killing him "checks" for both affiliations; and at worst you saved us a day of lynching. 

yeah, I know, thats why I said it would only clear him of being that role

I have a feeling that a dragon would be immune to normal nightkills, otherwise having a Knight role would be somewhat pointless?



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TruckOSaurus on 09 January 2010
dsister44 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
@dsister44: Please reconsider, it could be a great opportunity for us to finally have some information we can use. If we go along with this plan, it means you'll at least get protected tonight since we need you alive to tell us what happened in the morning.

How exactly am I getting protected? 

I'm pretty sure the town has a White Mage (basically a doctor). The mafia had a Black Mage, it's only logical for the town to have a White Mage.



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Final-Fan on 09 January 2010
hatmoza said:
ok ok nevermind, I see what you mean.

The difference between me and you my friend is that I don't believe him. [SFB]

I personally think he wants to supposedly go after the dragon because he has neither skills and because he's lying. This way he can say, " oh I didn't get the dragon, now I have neither abilities."

is that a little too far-fetched? I think not, but I'm also the only one calling him out as a liar, which is making me suspicious of good players like you and nordlead. Either you're scum backing him up, or the dragon and making good use of his lie.

i think it's you that's the dragon and nordlead covering for his fellow mafia.

But see that makes absolutely zero sense.  Why would mafia-nordlead care about getting investigated and proven to NOT be the dragon?  He should WANT SFB to go around hunting for the dragon and only the dragon, because if he succeeds that removes a headache for the mafia as well as the town.  And it would mean one less vigilante to worry about. 



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SciFiBoy on 09 January 2010
hatmoza said:
SFB something else is bugging me, and I'm going to assume you're telling the truth for a moment. You can simply kill someone you're suspicious of. Why use the dragon slay thingy??? Do you win if you find the dragon or something?

I can do that, but if I get that wrong it could be bad for the town, so im uncomfortable doing that, I would consider it if most of the town had a suspect in mind though.

I win when all the mafia/anti-town are dead



TruckOSaurus on 09 January 2010

@SciFiBoy: Dragon/Knight seem to be the fantasy equivalent of SK/Psychiatrist to me. Also, following your logic, the dragon would be immune to lynchings too which would be way too insane.



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Final-Fan on 09 January 2010
SciFiBoy said:
Final-Fan said:
remember, the Knight power only works on the Dragon.  If you check a mafia member he will come up innocent (of being the dragon).  Outright killing has the risk of getting a townie but will also get the bad guys no matter who they are.  Example:  hatmoza is a big suspect as the dragon AND as a mafia.  So killing him "checks" for both affiliations; and at worst you saved us a day of lynching. 

yeah, I know, thats why I said it would only clear him of being that role
I have a feeling that a dragon would be immune to normal nightkills, otherwise having a Knight role would be somewhat pointless?

Well, no.  It's a fantasy version of psychiatrist/SK, the difference being the dragon dies at the end.  But I don't think the dragon would resist regular kills, because he would be too hard to kill.  Although it would give him a better chance to win as the SK .... but I still doubt it. 



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