Yes, it is quiet precise, without your spin, he said exactly that the GPU is the problem with the PS3 in that video, and for that reason, a lot of other devs consider it the lowest denominator, which is not the case for Crytek who's now able to use the Cell correctly, he's simply boasting about it and saying "We are the shit, I dare anybody do better than us on the PS3." That was all.

In essence, if you want to do the GPU comparison in-between the RSX and the Xenos in computer terms, it's pretty much Shader Model 3 vs 4, in raw performace, the RSX is faster, but when you are talking about shaders, the 360 GPU is much more capable, to offset that problem, you need to do some of the work on the Cell, which results in the problem of more difficult programing, is the reason as to why the PS3 is being percieved that way. I think it's very valid from a dev point of view, but when you are talking about power and graphics, it's not exactly news that the PS3 is capable of at least 360 and beyond graphics, and with better physics prowlness, it's simply the more powerful machine.

I had this kind of argument with some other person before with the Wii's TEV vs. Xbox's NV2A, who really believed that the Xbox, given 10 years, can be better than Wii's full force in 10 years despite major bottlenecks in the Xbox design on the graphics front. Which is much more abstract than this one right here.

Ask anybody else on this forum to read or listen to what he said front to back in that video, I guarantee that 99.99% of the people will say you are wrong on the perception of what he said, do it, send pms to everybody to read it or watch the video, lets have a poll on that too =).

tbh I don't think he's even being serious, I don't know where he got that crytek thinks of the PS3 as the lowest denominator when the guy clearly said they don't think of it that way, dood's prolly just messing around.

Are you actually trying to imply that the hardest system to program for is inevitably the lowest common demoninator??? No, its not even that, you're implying that because more effort is needed to acheive parity on certain aspect of programing then it is overall the lowest common demoninator!

This is not even about context anymore, you're basically hearing something from a video then spewing out something completely different just with a few word that revelant to the topic to make it authoritive.

The reason the PS3 is much harder to program for than the 360 is because it uses a complete different CPU architecture that is actually more advance than the 360 which uses a PC legacy design (which is much more friendly to most PC developer.)

You're somehow implying that because the PS3 is harder to program for (due to the fact that it is fucken new and developer are not familiar with the design) it is somehow the lowest common denominator in a technical showdown!

Goodness gracious.

Lets have an example:

A woodcutter has in his arsenal, an axe and a chainsaw.

He just got the chainsaw and does not know how to turn it on yet, in your view, is the chainsaw the lowest common demoninator?

Be the above definition you gave, it is.

I wouldn't say he's fond of it, to me it sounded like he was very proud of their work, which I would be too considering how unconventional it is to work with a PS3 when you are of a PC background.

In his defense, cave people are prolly better with rocks than with a gun, it's one of those common joe mentality that can't be improved and thus, stone age thinking.

Uh the weak GPU was just a note he was pointing out that it was weaker and they had to use the CPU to assist, it doesn't really have much to do with them calling it the lowest denominator, he was just talking abou how the engine works on PS3.

Uh if i want to do a GPU comparison i'd sooner compare the games and leave the on paper stuff exactly where it is.

For a supposedly more powerful machince, it's certainly curious why most games released this year tend to run better on the "less powerful" machine...and if the PS3's least is 360 level graphics, how come I can't get the 360 bare minimum performance for Bayonetta or Ghostbusters, Resident Evil 5, Dirt 2 or Assassins Creed on PS3? Surely that means the PS3's least, is less then the 360s least...so it would be less..erer.

TBH such theoretics are pointless anyway without the performance to back it up. If we had official Wii specs it'd be easier, but from what they are rumoured to be, in theory it should be able to do more than an Xbox 1 since it has more RAM and what not...and yet I can't really see anything on the system the Gamecube did not do and there's nothing really like Ninja Gaiden, Doom 3 or Chaos Theory on Wii.

If the Wii had higher performance, no-ones making use of it.

Still theory hasn't really worked out this gen, the PS3 was supposed to have the best multiplatform games on paper, but it doesn't...and blu-ray's throughput means it's supposed to move data faster then a 12x DVD and yet it doesn't, instead relying on mandatory installations.

Oh, you mean the PS3 forum? TBH i wouldn't put my faith on their neutrality if they re-named it's Neutral Joe McNeutral, winner of this years Mr Neutral Forum of the year.

Uh, where did he clear it up? Point it out or transcribe it like I did with time indexs if you would.

But we are not judging the woodcuter, nor the caveman nor the thrice damned developers. We're measuring the technical capability of a console.

Gah curses!

I can easily do a CPU comparison and say that the 360 is the lowest denominator when it comes to that as well, it's all just word games that you are twisting without realizing the actual differences in between the tech behind the hardwares. PS3 Exclusives do generally look better than the 360 ones, that's not paper at all, it's real world performance. On top of that, RE5 did perform better on the PS3 because it was worked on the PS3 first and then ported to the easier to dev 360, while the 360 had lower framrate, it was still able to catch up with the effects thanks to the shader prowlness of it's GPU.

The reason the Xbox had a bottleneck design was due to it's memory architecture, not so much the memory amount or the GPU performance, which they improved upon with the 360, it's not able to do something without sacrificing a lot of the other considering that Gamecube already did have games that looked much better than Xbox titles, but it had the major dumb problem of the 1.44GB storage limitation making the assests that much harder to fit the games with which always has been a downfall on Nintendo's part imo even during this generation(no HDD, SD is nice though, but DVD9 that can use the full DVD9 size, big improvement.) Mandatory installations is pretty much a thing of the past at this point during the PS3's lifespam unless it's one of the lesser impressive devs, but at least the PS3 comes standard with a HDD which is not something I can say about the 360 or the Wii.

No, anybody on the forum, I don't care who it is, I'm mainly a PC person who look down on console graphics and laugh at their faces, but I'm not ignorant enough to not understand the techs and workarounds(or understanding the language of English) because I'm simply, a gamer. I don't hate nor do I delve into Fanboyism, I do troll sometimes because it's the internet though /shrug. It's all just fun times.

The full quote is "but in our case, the PS3 is running at the top level." You are a funny guy and think you are smart apparently, that or turn deaf when it's something you don't want to hear lol, put "but in our case the" where you put in the (inaudable). YOU LOOSE!

Uh, no i'm calling it the lowest denominator because:

1) Cevat did, take it up with him.

2) It's going to take more effort to bring it up to the 360s current and final level...which a vast, vast majority of multiplatform games never reach, let alone surpass. The 360 is the basis for comparison and the PC will easily outperform it given sufficient spec, it's the PS3 thats going to take the most hand holding...like trying to get a PS2 to run Chaos Theory on an Xbox level.

I'm just repeating it.

Taking something out of context would be MikeB claiming that they'd need to "limit" it to the 360s abilities, when they'd already stated the PS3 nearly scuppered my Crysis 2 console release...like he did earlier, but no-one seems to be calling him out for that.

Ok, you don't need to drag out your responses with tat like this, we all know this stuff, it doesn't need repeating.

You still think the Cell is "new", developers have had them since 2005...and the retail system is over 3 years old. When do you think they started making PS3 games? Launch day? Get real man.

No, a better example would be 200 chainsaws issued to 100 workers.

One type of chainsaw comes pre-assembled, well maintained and brand new and it works well.

The other is disassembled and comes with chinese assembly instructions...and no-one reads chinese.

Maybe after a long time and some chinese lessons you could assemble it and it might be a better chainsaw...alternatively if it's not assembled in exactly the proper way, it will not perform even as well as the pre-assembled chainsaw in as much as say 95 workers out of 100.

The sad thing is, this lumberjack needs to make sure all of his workers need to be trained in the use and assembly of both chainsaws (for health and safety reasons)...and

well, he does turn deaf when it's something he doesn't want to hear, just look at my above reply in orange parts, the dood's "LOL" and can't be taken seriously.