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Solid_Raiden said:
lol at the 360 fans coming in here and bashing Killzone 2. Honestly, some of the people posting anti Killzone 2 crap in here don't own a ps3 and have never played the game. Heruamon, I'm looking at you since your the most recent! Do you do anything but talk about and compare ps games you've never played to other titles (first it was GoW which you admitted to never playing and yet continued a lengthy argument with every one who did in the Dante's Inferno thread). You can't tell me there aren't enough quality 360 games to discuss, I know better.

As for the topic. I greatly preferred Killzone 2's multiplayer. Between the switching objectives which combine all game modes into one round (this was a great new idea for online but no one ever gives the game it's credit), the depth of the classes all of which are fun to play with and master and maybe with the exception of the Assault class are all very well balanced, and what I would call the best maps in an online FPS this gen (tied with COD4 actually) it all adds up to an incredible mp that I was addicted to for months which is much longer then I stick with games. I like to bounce from game to game as they are released. That said, I'm in the camp that believes the Single player was mediocre, with a poorly fleshed out story and very dislikable characters. Meanwhile, I very much enjoyed the MW2 campaign. MW2 <<<< MW though in every way to me. I dislike the mp in MW2 but Cod4 had the best of both worlds. A superior single player (barely) and a superior multiplayer. I loved every COD4 map but I've found myself only like 2 MW2 maps.

LMAO @ the thought that if a game sells more it's better. How would the people who bought MW2 and not KZ2 know which is better if they never bought Killzone 2??!?! How many ps3 owners who got sucked into the hype of MW2 never even heard of Killzone 2? Either way, they are both great games and you can't lose with either.

I'm not bashing KZ...I'm pointing out the fact that a vast majority of PS3 owners, choose MW2 over KZ2...so why is it that if KZ is highly superior to MW2, this happened?  Sales doesn't mean MW2 is a better game, but it's riddiculous to say KZ is so far superior to  MW2.  We are talking about video games here, not battle simulators...evidently, alot of CONSUMERS (you know, the reason games are made) don't feel the same.  It's one thing to say I'm trolling if I compared Halo 3 to KZ2, but MW2 has been very well received on the PS3, and in reading most of the PS3 fans on this thread, they'd make it seem like MW2 is crap compared to KZ2...and you say I'm trolling?

I know that a lot of the people who said game x is better then game y at least played both of them. You however came into the playstation forums, not owning a ps3, and entered a thread about a game you never played which was evident by the title of the thread and surprise, surprise make a baseless comment that would claim that somehow the game that actually appears on your console and that you can play is superior by some half assed logic that sales actually somehow determine the quality of a game over the opinion's of people who have actually played both games. People come in here having played both games and give an opinion from that and then you have people like you that and somehow suggest that sales would disagree and maybe even somehow lower the opinion of the op. What does "this game sold more so more people liked it better" have any worthwile merit in response to a person saying "I liked this game better"? And maybe other people on either side of the fence have done the same thing you have, but I'd show them the door along with you, you were just the closest one in arms reach. I hope you don't go in class and try to teach, citing the fact that people like you better because you have more friends on facebook to the instructor. Actually, I hope you do.




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heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
lol at the 360 fans coming in here and bashing Killzone 2. Honestly, some of the people posting anti Killzone 2 crap in here don't own a ps3 and have never played the game. Heruamon, I'm looking at you since your the most recent! Do you do anything but talk about and compare ps games you've never played to other titles (first it was GoW which you admitted to never playing and yet continued a lengthy argument with every one who did in the Dante's Inferno thread). You can't tell me there aren't enough quality 360 games to discuss, I know better.

As for the topic. I greatly preferred Killzone 2's multiplayer. Between the switching objectives which combine all game modes into one round (this was a great new idea for online but no one ever gives the game it's credit), the depth of the classes all of which are fun to play with and master and maybe with the exception of the Assault class are all very well balanced, and what I would call the best maps in an online FPS this gen (tied with COD4 actually) it all adds up to an incredible mp that I was addicted to for months which is much longer then I stick with games. I like to bounce from game to game as they are released. That said, I'm in the camp that believes the Single player was mediocre, with a poorly fleshed out story and very dislikable characters. Meanwhile, I very much enjoyed the MW2 campaign. MW2 <<<< MW though in every way to me. I dislike the mp in MW2 but Cod4 had the best of both worlds. A superior single player (barely) and a superior multiplayer. I loved every COD4 map but I've found myself only like 2 MW2 maps.

LMAO @ the thought that if a game sells more it's better. How would the people who bought MW2 and not KZ2 know which is better if they never bought Killzone 2??!?! How many ps3 owners who got sucked into the hype of MW2 never even heard of Killzone 2? Either way, they are both great games and you can't lose with either.

I'm not bashing KZ...I'm pointing out the fact that a vast majority of PS3 owners, choose MW2 over KZ2...so why is it that if KZ is highly superior to MW2, this happened?  Sales doesn't mean MW2 is a better game, but it's riddiculous to say KZ is so far superior to  MW2.  We are talking about video games here, not battle simulators...evidently, alot of CONSUMERS (you know, the reason games are made) don't feel the same.  It's one thing to say I'm trolling if I compared Halo 3 to KZ2, but MW2 has been very well received on the PS3, and in reading most of the PS3 fans on this thread, they'd make it seem like MW2 is crap compared to KZ2...and you say I'm trolling?

And as for DI's, I stated that based on the demo it ripped a bit off God of War in some respects, but we've not yet seen the final product.  Lastly...So I'd better not see you in any discussion about 360 games.

You might want to look again, I actually own all consoles (and enjoy each and every one of them) and therefore I can actually make actual edjucated opinions on all of the hardware and software that I purchase and spend hands on time with. So when I go into a thread and post my opinion you can expect it to be based off of my own personal experiances and not just my preconceptions of products that I've never spent time with. And if I haven't had hands on experiance with something, I'll be damned if you see me arguing with 200 people who have. Now if it comes to speculation on something that isn't released that's a whole different story. Every one can pretty much give an opinion as no one has ever really experianced it first hand. Fanboyism always comes into play also, and you've got to watch out for that. But that's a topic for another day.




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kz2>>>>>>>>mw2. A lot more action and you rely a lot more on your shooting ability than gimmick killstreaks. Epic gun battles not 1 burst kills



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i agree .. i mean i thought i hate fps games but it was just Call of Duty games i hated lol




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heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
lol at the 360 fans coming in here and bashing Killzone 2. Honestly, some of the people posting anti Killzone 2 crap in here don't own a ps3 and have never played the game. Heruamon, I'm looking at you since your the most recent! Do you do anything but talk about and compare ps games you've never played to other titles (first it was GoW which you admitted to never playing and yet continued a lengthy argument with every one who did in the Dante's Inferno thread). You can't tell me there aren't enough quality 360 games to discuss, I know better.

As for the topic. I greatly preferred Killzone 2's multiplayer. Between the switching objectives which combine all game modes into one round (this was a great new idea for online but no one ever gives the game it's credit), the depth of the classes all of which are fun to play with and master and maybe with the exception of the Assault class are all very well balanced, and what I would call the best maps in an online FPS this gen (tied with COD4 actually) it all adds up to an incredible mp that I was addicted to for months which is much longer then I stick with games. I like to bounce from game to game as they are released. That said, I'm in the camp that believes the Single player was mediocre, with a poorly fleshed out story and very dislikable characters. Meanwhile, I very much enjoyed the MW2 campaign. MW2 <<<< MW though in every way to me. I dislike the mp in MW2 but Cod4 had the best of both worlds. A superior single player (barely) and a superior multiplayer. I loved every COD4 map but I've found myself only like 2 MW2 maps.

LMAO @ the thought that if a game sells more it's better. How would the people who bought MW2 and not KZ2 know which is better if they never bought Killzone 2??!?! How many ps3 owners who got sucked into the hype of MW2 never even heard of Killzone 2? Either way, they are both great games and you can't lose with either.

I'm not bashing KZ...I'm pointing out the fact that a vast majority of PS3 owners, choose MW2 over KZ2...so why is it that if KZ is highly superior to MW2, this happened?  Sales doesn't mean MW2 is a better game, but it's riddiculous to say KZ is so far superior to  MW2.  We are talking about video games here, not battle simulators...evidently, alot of CONSUMERS (you know, the reason games are made) don't feel the same.  It's one thing to say I'm trolling if I compared Halo 3 to KZ2, but MW2 has been very well received on the PS3, and in reading most of the PS3 fans on this thread, they'd make it seem like MW2 is crap compared to KZ2...and you say I'm trolling?

And as for DI's, I stated that based on the demo it ripped a bit off God of War in some respects, but we've not yet seen the final product.  Lastly...So I'd better not see you in any discussion about 360 games.

You might want to look again, I actually own all consoles (and enjoy each and every one of them) and therefore I can actually make actual edjucated opinions on all of the hardware and software that I purchase and spend hands on time with. So when I go into a thread and post my opinion you can expect it to be based off of my own personal experiances and not just my preconceptions of products that I've never spent time with. And if I haven't had hands on experiance with something, I'll be damned if you see me arguing with 200 people who have. Now if it comes to speculation on something that isn't released that's a whole different story. Every one can pretty much give an opinion as no one has ever really experianced it first hand. Fanboyism always comes into play also, and you've got to watch out for that. But that's a topic for another day.

I saw, but your gamer score indicates you haven’t owned or played many 360 games (since it’s hidden I couldn't check your inventory).  In the case of DI...I have play both DMC and the Bayonetta demo, and I saw alot of similiarities between those games and DI, so I couldn’t see why people singled out God of War specifically as the complete source,...except that those are Japanese developed games.  As for KZ2 being exponentially being better than MW2...my question was why is there such a schism between the perceive exponential quality of KZ, over the exponential sales of PS3 MW2 over it?  I’m not a PS gamer, but I knew all about the game coming out, so are 80% of PS3 owners  non-gamers?



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heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
lol at the 360 fans coming in here and bashing Killzone 2. Honestly, some of the people posting anti Killzone 2 crap in here don't own a ps3 and have never played the game. Heruamon, I'm looking at you since your the most recent! Do you do anything but talk about and compare ps games you've never played to other titles (first it was GoW which you admitted to never playing and yet continued a lengthy argument with every one who did in the Dante's Inferno thread). You can't tell me there aren't enough quality 360 games to discuss, I know better.

As for the topic. I greatly preferred Killzone 2's multiplayer. Between the switching objectives which combine all game modes into one round (this was a great new idea for online but no one ever gives the game it's credit), the depth of the classes all of which are fun to play with and master and maybe with the exception of the Assault class are all very well balanced, and what I would call the best maps in an online FPS this gen (tied with COD4 actually) it all adds up to an incredible mp that I was addicted to for months which is much longer then I stick with games. I like to bounce from game to game as they are released. That said, I'm in the camp that believes the Single player was mediocre, with a poorly fleshed out story and very dislikable characters. Meanwhile, I very much enjoyed the MW2 campaign. MW2 <<<< MW though in every way to me. I dislike the mp in MW2 but Cod4 had the best of both worlds. A superior single player (barely) and a superior multiplayer. I loved every COD4 map but I've found myself only like 2 MW2 maps.

LMAO @ the thought that if a game sells more it's better. How would the people who bought MW2 and not KZ2 know which is better if they never bought Killzone 2??!?! How many ps3 owners who got sucked into the hype of MW2 never even heard of Killzone 2? Either way, they are both great games and you can't lose with either.

I'm not bashing KZ...I'm pointing out the fact that a vast majority of PS3 owners, choose MW2 over KZ2...so why is it that if KZ is highly superior to MW2, this happened?  Sales doesn't mean MW2 is a better game, but it's riddiculous to say KZ is so far superior to  MW2.  We are talking about video games here, not battle simulators...evidently, alot of CONSUMERS (you know, the reason games are made) don't feel the same.  It's one thing to say I'm trolling if I compared Halo 3 to KZ2, but MW2 has been very well received on the PS3, and in reading most of the PS3 fans on this thread, they'd make it seem like MW2 is crap compared to KZ2...and you say I'm trolling?

And as for DI's, I stated that based on the demo it ripped a bit off God of War in some respects, but we've not yet seen the final product.  Lastly...So I'd better not see you in any discussion about 360 games.

You might want to look again, I actually own all consoles (and enjoy each and every one of them) and therefore I can actually make actual edjucated opinions on all of the hardware and software that I purchase and spend hands on time with. So when I go into a thread and post my opinion you can expect it to be based off of my own personal experiances and not just my preconceptions of products that I've never spent time with. And if I haven't had hands on experiance with something, I'll be damned if you see me arguing with 200 people who have. Now if it comes to speculation on something that isn't released that's a whole different story. Every one can pretty much give an opinion as no one has ever really experianced it first hand. Fanboyism always comes into play also, and you've got to watch out for that. But that's a topic for another day.

I saw, but your gamer score indicates you haven’t owned or played many 360 games (since it’s hidden I couldn't check your inventory).  In the case of DI...I have play both DMC and the Bayonetta demo, and I saw alot of similiarities between those games and DI, so I couldn’t see why people singled out God of War specifically as the complete source,...except that those are Japanese developed games.  As for KZ2 being exponentially being better than MW2...my question was why is there such a schism between the perceive exponential quality of KZ, over the exponential sales of PS3 MW2 over it?  I’m not a PS gamer, but I knew all about the game coming out, so are 80% of PS3 owners  non-gamers?

I think your problem is that you take people who think Killzone 2 is "exponentially better" than Modern Warfare 2 seriously. 



At this point I'm thinking I could make a thread titled "Haze > MW2" and I'd have the majority of people agreeing with me.



makingmusic476 said:
heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
lol at the 360 fans coming in here and bashing Killzone 2. Honestly, some of the people posting anti Killzone 2 crap in here don't own a ps3 and have never played the game. Heruamon, I'm looking at you since your the most recent! Do you do anything but talk about and compare ps games you've never played to other titles (first it was GoW which you admitted to never playing and yet continued a lengthy argument with every one who did in the Dante's Inferno thread). You can't tell me there aren't enough quality 360 games to discuss, I know better.

As for the topic. I greatly preferred Killzone 2's multiplayer. Between the switching objectives which combine all game modes into one round (this was a great new idea for online but no one ever gives the game it's credit), the depth of the classes all of which are fun to play with and master and maybe with the exception of the Assault class are all very well balanced, and what I would call the best maps in an online FPS this gen (tied with COD4 actually) it all adds up to an incredible mp that I was addicted to for months which is much longer then I stick with games. I like to bounce from game to game as they are released. That said, I'm in the camp that believes the Single player was mediocre, with a poorly fleshed out story and very dislikable characters. Meanwhile, I very much enjoyed the MW2 campaign. MW2 <<<< MW though in every way to me. I dislike the mp in MW2 but Cod4 had the best of both worlds. A superior single player (barely) and a superior multiplayer. I loved every COD4 map but I've found myself only like 2 MW2 maps.

LMAO @ the thought that if a game sells more it's better. How would the people who bought MW2 and not KZ2 know which is better if they never bought Killzone 2??!?! How many ps3 owners who got sucked into the hype of MW2 never even heard of Killzone 2? Either way, they are both great games and you can't lose with either.

I'm not bashing KZ...I'm pointing out the fact that a vast majority of PS3 owners, choose MW2 over KZ2...so why is it that if KZ is highly superior to MW2, this happened?  Sales doesn't mean MW2 is a better game, but it's riddiculous to say KZ is so far superior to  MW2.  We are talking about video games here, not battle simulators...evidently, alot of CONSUMERS (you know, the reason games are made) don't feel the same.  It's one thing to say I'm trolling if I compared Halo 3 to KZ2, but MW2 has been very well received on the PS3, and in reading most of the PS3 fans on this thread, they'd make it seem like MW2 is crap compared to KZ2...and you say I'm trolling?

And as for DI's, I stated that based on the demo it ripped a bit off God of War in some respects, but we've not yet seen the final product.  Lastly...So I'd better not see you in any discussion about 360 games.

You might want to look again, I actually own all consoles (and enjoy each and every one of them) and therefore I can actually make actual edjucated opinions on all of the hardware and software that I purchase and spend hands on time with. So when I go into a thread and post my opinion you can expect it to be based off of my own personal experiances and not just my preconceptions of products that I've never spent time with. And if I haven't had hands on experiance with something, I'll be damned if you see me arguing with 200 people who have. Now if it comes to speculation on something that isn't released that's a whole different story. Every one can pretty much give an opinion as no one has ever really experianced it first hand. Fanboyism always comes into play also, and you've got to watch out for that. But that's a topic for another day.

I saw, but your gamer score indicates you haven’t owned or played many 360 games (since it’s hidden I couldn't check your inventory).  In the case of DI...I have play both DMC and the Bayonetta demo, and I saw alot of similiarities between those games and DI, so I couldn’t see why people singled out God of War specifically as the complete source,...except that those are Japanese developed games.  As for KZ2 being exponentially being better than MW2...my question was why is there such a schism between the perceive exponential quality of KZ, over the exponential sales of PS3 MW2 over it?  I’m not a PS gamer, but I knew all about the game coming out, so are 80% of PS3 owners  non-gamers?

I think your problem is that you take people who think Killzone 2 is "exponentially better" than Modern Warfare 2 seriously. 

I try not to take things for granted any more, as commonsense sometimes is anything but common.



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heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
heruamon said:
Solid_Raiden said:
lol at the 360 fans coming in here and bashing Killzone 2. Honestly, some of the people posting anti Killzone 2 crap in here don't own a ps3 and have never played the game. Heruamon, I'm looking at you since your the most recent! Do you do anything but talk about and compare ps games you've never played to other titles (first it was GoW which you admitted to never playing and yet continued a lengthy argument with every one who did in the Dante's Inferno thread). You can't tell me there aren't enough quality 360 games to discuss, I know better.

As for the topic. I greatly preferred Killzone 2's multiplayer. Between the switching objectives which combine all game modes into one round (this was a great new idea for online but no one ever gives the game it's credit), the depth of the classes all of which are fun to play with and master and maybe with the exception of the Assault class are all very well balanced, and what I would call the best maps in an online FPS this gen (tied with COD4 actually) it all adds up to an incredible mp that I was addicted to for months which is much longer then I stick with games. I like to bounce from game to game as they are released. That said, I'm in the camp that believes the Single player was mediocre, with a poorly fleshed out story and very dislikable characters. Meanwhile, I very much enjoyed the MW2 campaign. MW2 <<<< MW though in every way to me. I dislike the mp in MW2 but Cod4 had the best of both worlds. A superior single player (barely) and a superior multiplayer. I loved every COD4 map but I've found myself only like 2 MW2 maps.

LMAO @ the thought that if a game sells more it's better. How would the people who bought MW2 and not KZ2 know which is better if they never bought Killzone 2??!?! How many ps3 owners who got sucked into the hype of MW2 never even heard of Killzone 2? Either way, they are both great games and you can't lose with either.

I'm not bashing KZ...I'm pointing out the fact that a vast majority of PS3 owners, choose MW2 over KZ2...so why is it that if KZ is highly superior to MW2, this happened?  Sales doesn't mean MW2 is a better game, but it's riddiculous to say KZ is so far superior to  MW2.  We are talking about video games here, not battle simulators...evidently, alot of CONSUMERS (you know, the reason games are made) don't feel the same.  It's one thing to say I'm trolling if I compared Halo 3 to KZ2, but MW2 has been very well received on the PS3, and in reading most of the PS3 fans on this thread, they'd make it seem like MW2 is crap compared to KZ2...and you say I'm trolling?

And as for DI's, I stated that based on the demo it ripped a bit off God of War in some respects, but we've not yet seen the final product.  Lastly...So I'd better not see you in any discussion about 360 games.

You might want to look again, I actually own all consoles (and enjoy each and every one of them) and therefore I can actually make actual edjucated opinions on all of the hardware and software that I purchase and spend hands on time with. So when I go into a thread and post my opinion you can expect it to be based off of my own personal experiances and not just my preconceptions of products that I've never spent time with. And if I haven't had hands on experiance with something, I'll be damned if you see me arguing with 200 people who have. Now if it comes to speculation on something that isn't released that's a whole different story. Every one can pretty much give an opinion as no one has ever really experianced it first hand. Fanboyism always comes into play also, and you've got to watch out for that. But that's a topic for another day.

I saw, but your gamer score indicates you haven’t owned or played many 360 games (since it’s hidden I couldn't check your inventory).  In the case of DI...I have play both DMC and the Bayonetta demo, and I saw alot of similiarities between those games and DI, so I couldn’t see why people singled out God of War specifically as the complete source,...except that those are Japanese developed games.  As for KZ2 being exponentially being better than MW2...my question was why is there such a schism between the perceive exponential quality of KZ, over the exponential sales of PS3 MW2 over it?  I’m not a PS gamer, but I knew all about the game coming out, so are 80% of PS3 owners  non-gamers?

You shouldn't assume things. I have an offline account that I play all of my games offline with as to not get bugged by friends when playing my games. I don't know why my gamercard randomly goes hidden on and off but if you do check my games you'll see that I've got quite a few games in my library and that most of them are 0 gamer score because of this fact. Also, you didn't single out any single posts or even make a reference to any one group of posters, therefore I would assume that you were replying to the op. And if you will read the op again he makes no claims of k2 being exponentially better then MW2. He says that K2 wins out just barely. Also, if someone dislikes mw2 that's their opinion and I would think they came to that conclusion after having played the game. Now if you want to single out some fanboyish comments that's fine. But all I saw (disclaimer: I have not read this entire thread) was mostly posters who it would seem to have played both titles and come to a conclusion. A few people bashed one game or the other and music already called those people out. But to come into the thread and make comments like yours with no base are not needed. Even if someone very much dislikes MW2 but loves KZ2, or vise versa it shouldn't bother you so much as long as they came to that conclusion having actually played both games. But for you to even have an opinion one way or the other to have an opinion on their opinion you would have to come to your own conclusion having played both titles yourself. Otherwise your blindly making accusations as if they had real substance.




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At this point I'm thinking I could make a thread titled "Haze > MW2" and I'd have the majority of people agreeing with me.


Is that because Haze is a PS3 exclusive game or because Modern Warfare 2 is so bad though?

I'd love to join in further with the conversation but I still refuse to buy MW2 until they official add dedicated server support to the PC, hence I cannot actually compare both games.  I realise some people on here will think I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face but there is plenty more games out there I can play that aren't made by a developer out to shaft the gamers who put them on the map.