^- i'd have to agree with you, i don't really like cloud now that im old enough to know what over-the-top-depression/self pity is all about, but still i think cloud is also the cooler character for the simple fact he gets out of his phase of mopping around in Advent Children, its not like he never got over it, he did!

Granted, it took a whole CGI movie to be made then remade in blu-ray for him to snap back to normal, but heeey, he got around to it, right?

Squall... the "Alone" crap always annoyed me.

I liked Squall, i thought he was a good main character for the game. Someone that was a little lost in the world due to his childhood and this resulted in him being confused about who he was and who he cared about.

Amazing Limit Break indeed

Squaresoft manly scale:

Auron>Cid Highwind>Lightning>Zell>Sora>Zidane>Selphie>Vaan>Cloud (that manwhore! Aeris' body wasn't even cold!)>Vaan>>>>>>Squall

try playing star ocean 4...you'll feel the same

Tidus that kiddo in X was crying like a xxxx all the time that i wanted to smack him

You listed Vaan twice and where is Barret? Mr. T surely is manlier than Auron.

I pity the fool who wears a Kimono!

Not really.

And its already been established that pretty much all of the Playstation protagonists (except maybe Zidane) used Cloud as a model.  Because Nomura has no originality and keeps using the same 5 stock character archetypes (and look) for all his characters.  In this way, the fact that Squall actually broke away from the look and self-centered, brooding (whiny) archetype of Cloud is actually a major step in the evolution of Final Fantasy and makes him a unique character.  One that didn't last, as we later got characters like Tidus and Vaan.

Its just hillarious that everyone focuses on Squall as being the 'Whiny' one when its most of the other FF protagonists who do the whining and Squall is the one who is the man who actually stepped forward and took command early on.  In fact, Cloud, Tidus and Vaan never took command of anything.

Cloud did take lead, he just bitched out after he found out he was a Sephiroth clone, and became even more "emo".  Squall started off on one extreme and then changed and became leader because Cid knew he had it in him, and Xu, Quistis, agreed.  Though Squall still needed help from his friends(Which is the standard japanese story when it comes to anime people in school) and made the story better later on for when he finally accepted that he wants friends. And then they were all taken away from him again.  Not much luck Squall has...

Squall its one of the best characters in the rpg world, and all this hate threats just confirm that.
Onikenshi u r right, i wanna see that too.

So the more hate the better the character? You must love Superman 64.