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bonkers555 on 27 December 2009
RolStoppable said:
bonkers555 said:
Everyone saying that the blog is a bias but can anyone say that number that they use is inaccurate or fake? If not, then why is this blog a fail if it use facts for reference?

1) He's only looking at the USA, the 360's strongest region, instead of the whole world.
2) The comparison uses a single month of data (November 2008 and 2009), completely ignoring the different strengths of the release schedules of the two years in question (Modern Warfare 2 comes to mind).
3) It's software revenue, not unit sales. This favors the 360 and PS3 while it puts the DS at a significant disadvantage and the Wii, PS2 and PSP to a lesser extent.
4) Several points are backed up by (biased) opinion pieces of the same author.

The numbers aren't inaccurate nor are they fake, but this is called cherry-picking. Using only the data that supports someone's desired conclusion while ignoring everything else.

Thank you for a well written explanation.



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richardhutnik on 27 December 2009

Does a no-spin zone exist? I am getting real dizzy by the spin going on in blogs like this.



Hus on 27 December 2009
bonkers555 said:
Hus said:
bonkers555 said:
Hus said:
bonkers555 said:
Everyone saying that the blog is a bias but can anyone say that number that they use is inaccurate or fake? If not, then why is this blog a fail if it use facts for reference?

Do they mention MS shrinking market share ? the ass kicking its been getting since the slims release.

It cherry pics facts for their ms fluff piece. 

First off this blog is about N. America (United States mostly).  I don't believe M$ have lost any market share to PS3 in this region in the past few months.  I might be wrong but isn't the 360 still out sale the PS3 in this region?

..... basic math.

month 1 - 360 sales 100k PS3 50k

month 2 - 360 sales 100k PS3 95k

360s share went down bud.

By how many percentage? Are M$ losing enough shares to PS3 that they worry about losing the lead in N. America to them?  Even after the PS3 Slim and Price Cut they still can't manage to take back some ground in N. America.

Do your own math, what am i your freaking teacher am i. 

They are losing share to a more expensive console, does that sound good to you ?



Mummelmann on 27 December 2009
richardhutnik said:
Does a no-spin zone exist? I am getting real dizzy by the spin going on in blogs like this.

Bruce had a profile on Vgchartz, he had several as I recall and was the most unanimously hated user we ever had. He's probably around 50 years old and even has some credentials to his name but he argued like a 12 year old and let his bias obscure any grain of truth or substance in anything he wrote in here. There was not a single user who couldn't pick his arguments apart and make a complete shish kebab of him on all accounts. When someone "defeated" him in a debate, he simply called them fanboys and stopped replying, real mature. Oh, and he kept spamming his blog on us all the time.



bonkers555 on 28 December 2009
Hus said:
bonkers555 said:
Hus said:
bonkers555 said:
Hus said:
bonkers555 said:
Everyone saying that the blog is a bias but can anyone say that number that they use is inaccurate or fake? If not, then why is this blog a fail if it use facts for reference?

Do they mention MS shrinking market share ? the ass kicking its been getting since the slims release.

It cherry pics facts for their ms fluff piece. 

First off this blog is about N. America (United States mostly).  I don't believe M$ have lost any market share to PS3 in this region in the past few months.  I might be wrong but isn't the 360 still out sale the PS3 in this region?

..... basic math.

month 1 - 360 sales 100k PS3 50k

month 2 - 360 sales 100k PS3 95k

360s share went down bud.

By how many percentage? Are M$ losing enough shares to PS3 that they worry about losing the lead in N. America to them?  Even after the PS3 Slim and Price Cut they still can't manage to take back some ground in N. America.

Do your own math, what am i your freaking teacher am i. 

They are losing share to a more expensive console, does that sound good to you ?

 

OK you win.  The PS3 is a BIG success and the 360 is the BIG loser this gen in N. America. 



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Hus on 28 December 2009

lost cause aint you.



bonkers555 on 28 December 2009

Back to the Article. Who here can tell me with a strait face that the 360 is NOT a success story in N. America this gen? They making money on the 360. They out selling last gen winner almost 2 to 1. They got the highest attach ratio. I'm confuse why most people on this site still believe that 360 is NOT a success story in N. America this gen.



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Kenryoku_Maxis on 28 December 2009

The Opening Posts article smells of 'Manipulating numbers to make one console sound better'.

Sure, the 360 might have done 'better' in the fact that their sales didn't 'fall'. But that doesn't mean they sold more or generated more sales overall. I'm sorry, I can believe that perhaps the XBOX360 generated more revenue than the PS3, but not more than the Wii. And even then, its sketchy to say that the 360 was even doing better than Sony in the last 3-4 months.



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-ku- on 28 December 2009

If I remember PS3 has 6.5 attach rate and 360 almost 9
so by that math its almost 1.4 more than PS3. not twice and wii had something between 6.2-.7
So similar story.



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Diablerie on 28 December 2009
bonkers555 said:

Back to the Article. Who here can tell me with a strait face that the 360 is NOT a success story in N. America this gen? They making money on the 360. They out selling last gen winner almost 2 to 1. They got the highest attach ratio. I'm confuse why most people on this site still believe that 360 is NOT a success story in N. America this gen.

You're correct.  The 360 has had a huge amount of success in the U.S.  But the gaming industry is much more than just one country, it is the entire world.  In my opinion, the problem is those that tout NPD data as if it (USA) means more than the rest of the world.  

I believe we call that arrogance.