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Just saw these two articles when catching up on this story and at first I got a laugh...but then after I thought about it a bit it kinda pissed me off a little.....

 

First from Politico:

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that "the system worked."

Asked by CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union" how that could be possible when the young Nigerian who sought to set off the bomb was able to smuggle explosive liquid onto the flight, Napolitano responded: "We're asking the same questions."

Napolitano added that there was "no suggestion that [the bomber] was improperly screened."


Just this statement is bizarre....a man gets an explosive device on a plane and somehow this is part of the planned system?  Properly screened or not if someone gets a bomb on a plane the system is most definitely not working.

Next an article from ABC:

 

Officials now say tragedy was only averted on Northwest flight 253 because a makeshift detonator failed to work properly.

Bomb experts say there was more than enough explosive to bring down the Northwest jet, which had nearly 300 people aboard, had the detonator not failed, and the nation's outdated airport screening machines may need to be upgraded.

"We've known for a long time that this is possible," said Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism czar and ABC News consultant, "and that we really have to replace our scanning devices with more modern systems."

Clarke said full body scans were needed, "but they're expensive and they're intrusive. They invade people's privacy."

Al Qaeda, said Clarke, is aware of this vulnerability in the U.S. airport security system. "They know that this is a weakness and an Achilles' heel in our airport security system and this is the second time they've tried it."

... (follow link above for full article)

It is obviously troubling that someone can get a bomb onto a plane in the first place, but do we really need the DHS secretary out there trying to pretend like everything is perfectly fine as if this whole thing went down just like it was supposed to? With this source now saying we got lucky it makes Napolitano look like a fool for even suggesting things worked as intended.

It's pretty obvious that if we want to catch these things security measures need to be tighter and as always there is a price to pay for that extra security, which means its not as easy as "yes or no".  But that doesn't mean we should run around after narrowly averting a tragedy thanks to lots of luck and essentially say "we meant to do that".

I don't think I'm nitpicking to expect a DHS secretary to give a plain and simple assessment of what went wrong rather than trying to assuage fears with some fairy tale version of the story. 

Anyone else find it a little unsettling that she couldn't just give a honest assessment of the failures of the system? 



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I was more surprised that they blamed Al Queda. Given how they planned out 9/11 I'd think that they would make something as simple as a detonator work alright....



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Sqrl said:

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It's pretty obvious that if we want to catch these things security measures need to be tighter and as always there is a price to pay for that extra security, which means its not as easy as "yes or no". 

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@vlad,

On the Franklin quote:  I covered that a bit as quoted above, but thread wasn't really about that so I didn't delve into it further.

On the Al Queda link: The link was established before this terrorist plot occurred from what I've read.  Basically it sounds like his name was already on a terror watch list (which makes me wonder how he got a US Visa), so whatever they used to link him to Al Queda it had nothing to do with a detonator, failed or otherwise.  That of course doesn't mean they are 100% right about the link, just that the bit you're questioning wasn't a factor in this case.

Anyways, the topic was really more about the reaction of the DHS secretary than it was the plot, it's classification as a terror attack, or anything like that.



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Sqrl said:
Sqrl said:

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It's pretty obvious that if we want to catch these things security measures need to be tighter and as always there is a price to pay for that extra security, which means its not as easy as "yes or no". 

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@vlad,

On the Franklin quote:  I covered that a bit as quoted above, but thread wasn't really about that so I didn't delve into it further.

On the Al Queda link: The link was established before this terrorist plot occurred from what I've read.  Basically it sounds like his name was already on a terror watch list (which makes me wonder how he got a US Visa), so whatever they used to link him to Al Queda it had nothing to do with a detonator, failed or otherwise.  That of course doesn't mean they are 100% right about the link, just that the bit you're questioning wasn't a factor in this case.

Anyways, the topic was really more about the reaction of the DHS secretary than it was the plot, it's classification as a terror attack, or anything like that.

I watched some news this morning with some commentary. They said he was on a list of 500,000 people. I mean call me crazy, but somehow I don't think Al Queda has half a million people, I'm just thinking they were spreading FUD, but then again he could legitametely be a part of them. Though I don't think he aced on their behalf if the reason the plot failed was a failed detonation.

 

Also sorry for derailing the thread. It was the only thread that had to deal with this thing that I could see on the off-topic board. It is pretty surprising that they can say that the system works, uless their system relies heavily on luck.



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I think we can all agree the system didn't actually work in this instance.

Where are those futuristic x-ray machines that were so awesome in total recall?



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Homeland Security's system seems a lot like copyright DRM to me: It mostly increases costs on legitmate users rather than impeding criminal behavior.



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Obviously the system didn't work, but... Full body scans where someone can see you naked? That's just wrong.



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NJ5 said:
Obviously the system didn't work, but... Full body scans where someone can see you naked? That's just wrong.

Not to troll but... given the US' track record for obesity and stuff, I think it's more of a punishment for the one doing the looking than the one being looked at.



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NJ5 said:
Obviously the system didn't work, but... Full body scans where someone can see you naked? That's just wrong.

No it's not. Not really. Not at all actually. 



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I'm just mad because this jackass with a bomb in his pants is going to make my trip back to school that much harder.

 

I'm going to take photos of everything i put in the bag i'm going to check. Keep tabs on those grabby TSA agents.



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