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heruamon on 28 December 2009
Khuutra said:
heruamon said:

@ Khuutra

Yep...I suffered thru it in both HS and College.

@ naznatips

I think we can fully agree on the extreme stretching involved in turning a mild mannered Poet into a raging God of War (you like that pun...huh), but I suspended my belief right around the time I heard about the and said to myself "...WTF...wasn't this guy a poet?..."  I just think anyone can judge the game, based on it's alignment to source material, especially when comparing it to Kratos fighting Zeus?!?!?!  We start slipping into the arguing on how World War Hulk can Beat Superman.  If you say DI is worst than God of War 1...I really can't debate that...I can say the demo looked okay to me, and I'll try it when it comes out...BTW...where is Hercules in God of War storyline?

Then I don't see how the incongruity slips by you. Dante was damn near anemic, a person swept along on a hellstorm of circumstances that were beyond his control. He had very little agency in the whole thing.

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Khuutra on 28 December 2009
heruamon said:
Khuutra said:

Then I don't see how the incongruity slips by you. Dante was damn near anemic, a person swept along on a hellstorm of circumstances that were beyond his control. He had very little agency in the whole thing.

It's a game...don't you think you're going a little too deep?  I'm still confused as to what the problem is here?

Oooh, but...Wolverine, Conan, Viking and a host of other games are very similiar as well...why didn't those cause as much of a stir amongst the God of War faithful?

I'm not speaking as one of the "God of War faithful", God of War wasn't my favorite action game from last gen anyway.

The problem is that it is shitting all over the source material in ways that game adaptations have rarely, if ever, done before. This is almost apocalyptic. The only way to appropriately sum it up would be with the elder swear, the utterance of which would kill me and then everyone who read it.



heruamon on 28 December 2009
Khuutra said:
heruamon said:
Khuutra said:

Then I don't see how the incongruity slips by you. Dante was damn near anemic, a person swept along on a hellstorm of circumstances that were beyond his control. He had very little agency in the whole thing.

It's a game...don't you think you're going a little too deep?  I'm still confused as to what the problem is here?

Oooh, but...Wolverine, Conan, Viking and a host of other games are very similiar as well...why didn't those cause as much of a stir amongst the God of War faithful?

I'm not speaking as one of the "God of War faithful", God of War wasn't my favorite action game from last gen anyway.

The problem is that it is shitting all over the source material in ways that game adaptations have rarely, if ever, done before. This is almost apocalyptic. The only way to appropriately sum it up would be with the elder swear, the utterance of which would kill me and then everyone who read it.

LOL...you'll get no argument from me as to the abusing of the source material, but I'd hardly categorize this as the coming of the four horsemen...Hey...I just got an idea for a new game...Apocalyptic Gods...it will play like God of War, but you'll have Conquest who is a Ranger Character, War, who is like Kratos, Famine who is a Warlock/Mage, and Death who is...well...Death.  4-man Co-op would rock...okay...bad joke, and worst idea, so don't call the Christian coalition on me.  The is this...it is about suspending belief...it's not like Divine Comedy is a true story...it's a 800 year old poem.  Look at Beowulf, and all the liberal takes on that story?  Better yet, look at 300 the movie...did you absolutely hate it? 



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

alephnull on 28 December 2009

What's with this stuff in the game about Dante being a crusader? Not even the correct time period for Inferno.



shinsa on 28 December 2009
naznatips said:
It's hard to explain the Divine Comedy to someone who never read it, because it's an enormously involved tale, but, here's the short version:

Dante's Inferno is a political Allegory following Dante himself... a fucking poet, as he strolls through the levels of hell making observations about the nature of religion and existence. The creatures he sees are nothing but metaphors for these observations. Beatrice, in the Divine Comedy, was nothing but his guide in the final part of the Comedy, Paradiso. Dante was certainly NOT a warrior, nor was he battling through hell and killing the Grim Reaper. For christ's sake Dante faints when they first cross the lake into the first level of hell.

The plot of Dante being some soldier who cheated on Beatrice and is chasing her soul into hell is pretty ridiculous, and there is no reason to turn a poem into a bloody action game. Hell they could have easily made an adventure game and actually kept the plot in tact and it would have been much better. What they did make was just a REALLY bad excuse to clone God of War.

 

glad to see that someone else on this board has read the devine comedy and thinks the games adaptation is very poor and cheesy.

Dante first and formost was not a warrior from the crusades, he is the poet.

he was trying to find his way to paradice. the Roman poet Virgil some one dante looked up to guides him through hell. Beatrice was dantes ideal women but she guides him through hevean.

 

the game really shouldnt be called Dante's inferno, its just discrasing the poem and making it really cheesy trying to make it "epic"

 

also i dont know why people are comparing Bay to DI. Compare DI with GOW and Bay with DMC. no offence to DI and GOW lovers, the gameplay/ combat system in those games dont came near as hardcore or as in depth as DMC and Bay.



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alephnull on 28 December 2009
naznatips said:
It's hard to explain the Divine Comedy to someone who never read it, because it's an enormously involved tale, but, here's the short version:

Dante's Inferno is a political Allegory following Dante himself... a fucking poet, as he strolls through the levels of hell making observations about the nature of religion and existence. The creatures he sees are nothing but metaphors for these observations. Beatrice, in the Divine Comedy, was nothing but his guide in the final part of the Comedy, Paradiso. Dante was certainly NOT a warrior, nor was he battling through hell and killing the Grim Reaper. For christ's sake Dante faints when they first cross the lake into the first level of hell.

The plot of Dante being some soldier who cheated on Beatrice and is chasing her soul into hell is pretty ridiculous, and there is no reason to turn a poem into a bloody action game. Hell they could have easily made an adventure game and actually kept the plot in tact and it would have been much better. What they did make was just a REALLY bad excuse to clone God of War.

If by political allegory you mean "put everyone he has a beef with in hell".



Khuutra on 28 December 2009
alephnull said:
naznatips said:
It's hard to explain the Divine Comedy to someone who never read it, because it's an enormously involved tale, but, here's the short version:

Dante's Inferno is a political Allegory following Dante himself... a fucking poet, as he strolls through the levels of hell making observations about the nature of religion and existence. The creatures he sees are nothing but metaphors for these observations. Beatrice, in the Divine Comedy, was nothing but his guide in the final part of the Comedy, Paradiso. Dante was certainly NOT a warrior, nor was he battling through hell and killing the Grim Reaper. For christ's sake Dante faints when they first cross the lake into the first level of hell.

The plot of Dante being some soldier who cheated on Beatrice and is chasing her soul into hell is pretty ridiculous, and there is no reason to turn a poem into a bloody action game. Hell they could have easily made an adventure game and actually kept the plot in tact and it would have been much better. What they did make was just a REALLY bad excuse to clone God of War.

If by political allegory you mean "put everyone he has a beef with in hell".

And naming himself one of the five great thinkers of all time

Much as I loved that poem for its imagery, that guy's ego pissed me off something fierce



onikenshi on 28 December 2009
shinsa said:
naznatips said:
It's hard to explain the Divine Comedy to someone who never read it, because it's an enormously involved tale, but, here's the short version:

Dante's Inferno is a political Allegory following Dante himself... a fucking poet, as he strolls through the levels of hell making observations about the nature of religion and existence. The creatures he sees are nothing but metaphors for these observations. Beatrice, in the Divine Comedy, was nothing but his guide in the final part of the Comedy, Paradiso. Dante was certainly NOT a warrior, nor was he battling through hell and killing the Grim Reaper. For christ's sake Dante faints when they first cross the lake into the first level of hell.

The plot of Dante being some soldier who cheated on Beatrice and is chasing her soul into hell is pretty ridiculous, and there is no reason to turn a poem into a bloody action game. Hell they could have easily made an adventure game and actually kept the plot in tact and it would have been much better. What they did make was just a REALLY bad excuse to clone God of War.

 

glad to see that someone else on this board has read the devine comedy and thinks the games adaptation is very poor and cheesy.

Dante first and formost was not a warrior from the crusades, he is the poet.

he was trying to find his way to paradice. the Roman poet Virgil some one dante looked up to guides him through hell. Beatrice was dantes ideal women but she guides him through hevean.

 

the game really shouldnt be called Dante's inferno, its just discrasing the poem and making it really cheesy trying to make it "epic"

 

also i dont know why people are comparing Bay to DI. Compare DI with GOW and Bay with DMC. no offence to DI and GOW lovers, the gameplay/ combat system in those games dont came near as hardcore or as in depth as DMC and Bay.

WOW, GOW has just as much depth as Bayo (yes, imported) and DMC. FYI, so far i've beaten every DMC on Dante must die, the hardest of all is the ORIGINAL DMC3 who's Dante must die mode had the highest difficulty in the series. They all have equal combat/gameplay depth  based on how you play them (can't speak for DI since I only played the demo). I found GOW much more enjoyable and was truly able to expand more and more on the combat system, especially when being forced to adapt on the harder modes (especially in GOW2). You want to REALLY talk about combat depth? GOW is comparable to both the games you mention, yet Viewtiful Joe takes the cake on combat depth. For everyone loving Bayo's creator and talkin about "well it's a clone because he made the DMC series", here's reality, DMC3 which he wasn't involved in was the best in the series hands down.



heruamon on 28 December 2009

^^^ Well, my major problems with DMC4 (only one of the series I've played) was fighter the same boses again...I nearly fell asleep. At the end, I simply wanted the game to end...and that's not a knock on the gameplay.



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

naznatips on 28 December 2009
heruamon said:
naznatips said:
It's hard to explain the Divine Comedy to someone who never read it, because it's an enormously involved tale, but, here's the short version:

Dante's Inferno is a political Allegory following Dante himself... a fucking poet, as he strolls through the levels of hell making observations about the nature of religion and existence. The creatures he sees are nothing but metaphors for these observations. Beatrice, in the Divine Comedy, was nothing but his guide in the final part of the Comedy, Paradiso. Dante was certainly NOT a warrior, nor was he battling through hell and killing the Grim Reaper. For christ's sake Dante faints when they first cross the lake into the first level of hell.

The plot of Dante being some soldier who cheated on Beatrice and is chasing her soul into hell is pretty ridiculous, and there is no reason to turn a poem into a bloody action game. Hell they could have easily made an adventure game and actually kept the plot in tact and it would have been much better. What they did make was just a REALLY bad excuse to clone God of War.

@ Khuutra

Yep...I suffered thru it in both HS and College.

@ naznatips

I think we can fully agree on the extreme stretching involved in turning a mild mannered Poet into a raging God of War (you like that pun...huh), but I suspended my belief right around the time I heard about the and said to myself "...WTF...wasn't this guy a poet?..."  I just think anyone can judge the game, based on it's alignment to source material, especially when comparing it to Kratos fighting Zeus?!?!?!  We start slipping into the arguing on how World War Hulk can Beat Superman.  If you say DI is worst than God of War 1...I really can't debate that...I can say the demo looked okay to me, and I'll try it when it comes out...BTW...where is Hercules in God of War storyline?

BTW...I did some homework and watch youtube of God of War 3..yeah...Dante's Inferno is pretty much a blatant copy of it...but isn't that a good thing?

A lot of people fought Zeus. Zeus was an ass. Kratos himself starts out half-god (one of the countless bastard children of Zeus), and eventually becomes completely a god. Demigods attacked gods and titans throughout Greek mythology. Hell even regular humans did. Nothing in God of War is outside the possibilities of a Greek Epic. As for its characterizations of the Greek Pantheon, all the gods play their normal roles; i.e. conniving manipulative bastards constantly at war with one another and using humans as pawns in their games.