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RageBot on 22 December 2009
jarrod said:
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What about MGS4?

MGS4 got the near ultimate moneyhat and has been in development since before the gen even started.  And the next HD MGS has still gone multiplatform.

It is a good example though, and it did slip my mind.  I don't think Sony's going to pony up like that again for KH3 though, when they didn't for FFXIII.

Can you really prove that Sony moneyhatted Konami for the game?

And according to the rumors, they have actually did sign a contract with SE for FF13, it' just that MS payed SE a lot to break that contract.

And, the next MGS is going to be on PSP, there isn't any new announced MGS for HD consoles (treating rising like a new MGS is like treating DMC as a new RE).

Well no, no one can really prove that.  Kojima did give out the reasoning that their engine was PS3 only though, but Rising sort of casts doubt on any inability to reasonably do MGS4 on 360.  Likewise, Wada has stated that FFXIII 360 was due to wanting more western sales to offset the likely Japanese decline.  I don't doubt contracts were signed in both cases, or that a Microsoft cash infusion changed minds.

Peace Walker is canonically next in line from what I understand, but everything so far makes the game look more like fanservice than anything.  Rising is a promised departure, but it's still quite literally a "Metal Gear Solid" game.

...Again, why does it cast doubts?

It uses an entirely different engine, there's a completely different team working on the game (the MGS4 team works on PW), and... so what if it's, literaly, a "Metal Gear Solid" game, FFCC:TCB is, literaly, a FF game, but it isn't really a FF game right? So is Rising, a "Lightning Bolt Action" game (AKA not a Tactical Espionage Action game), and maybe not even "A Hideo Kojima game", not going to be a real MGS on HD consoles any time soon.

Crystal Bearers is a "real Final Fantasy game", though it almost wasn't (Kawazu wanted to drop "Final Fantasy" from the title).  It's not in the "Final Fantasy series" though.  I guess you could make the same argument for MGS Rising, though I think we'd have to wait for more information before staking that claim.  It's still a "real Metal Gear game" though.

We argue about semantics, MGS:R isn't going to play like any other MGS game in the past, it is probably going to be an action game like DMC, and thus it won't be, what most pepole will call (but not you though!) a "Real MGS game".



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trestres on 22 December 2009

I would say none will be a Wii project.



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jarrod on 22 December 2009
RageBot said:
jarrod said:
RageBot said:
jarrod said:
RageBot said:
jarrod said:
RageBot said:
 

What about MGS4?

MGS4 got the near ultimate moneyhat and has been in development since before the gen even started.  And the next HD MGS has still gone multiplatform.

It is a good example though, and it did slip my mind.  I don't think Sony's going to pony up like that again for KH3 though, when they didn't for FFXIII.

Can you really prove that Sony moneyhatted Konami for the game?

And according to the rumors, they have actually did sign a contract with SE for FF13, it' just that MS payed SE a lot to break that contract.

And, the next MGS is going to be on PSP, there isn't any new announced MGS for HD consoles (treating rising like a new MGS is like treating DMC as a new RE).

Well no, no one can really prove that.  Kojima did give out the reasoning that their engine was PS3 only though, but Rising sort of casts doubt on any inability to reasonably do MGS4 on 360.  Likewise, Wada has stated that FFXIII 360 was due to wanting more western sales to offset the likely Japanese decline.  I don't doubt contracts were signed in both cases, or that a Microsoft cash infusion changed minds.

Peace Walker is canonically next in line from what I understand, but everything so far makes the game look more like fanservice than anything.  Rising is a promised departure, but it's still quite literally a "Metal Gear Solid" game.

...Again, why does it cast doubts?

It uses an entirely different engine, there's a completely different team working on the game (the MGS4 team works on PW), and... so what if it's, literaly, a "Metal Gear Solid" game, FFCC:TCB is, literaly, a FF game, but it isn't really a FF game right? So is Rising, a "Lightning Bolt Action" game (AKA not a Tactical Espionage Action game), and maybe not even "A Hideo Kojima game", not going to be a real MGS on HD consoles any time soon.

Crystal Bearers is a "real Final Fantasy game", though it almost wasn't (Kawazu wanted to drop "Final Fantasy" from the title).  It's not in the "Final Fantasy series" though.  I guess you could make the same argument for MGS Rising, though I think we'd have to wait for more information before staking that claim.  It's still a "real Metal Gear game" though.

We argue about semantics, MGS:R isn't going to play like any other MGS game in the past, it is probably going to be an action game like DMC, and thus it won't be, what most pepole will call (but not you though!) a "Real MGS game".

We don't know much about MGSR, but it carries the franchise brand and frankly seems closer tied to it than something like Crystal Bearers (which almost didn;t even bother with that).  It's still an action game (and MGS4 started leaning more in that direction anyway), it's in continuity with the numbered entries, it's being developed at KojiPro... outside that, what do we even know about it? 

Do you consider Crisis Core a "real Final Fantasy game"? How about Versus? How about FFXI actually?



jarrod on 22 December 2009
Soriku said:
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Also, why would Versus "pave the way" for KH3? Versus and KH are completely different games in focus, story, themes, etc. and isn't run by Disney in the background.

If it does well enough, I just suspect Nomura would use it to push KH3 as a PS3 game to his bosses and Disney since it's so similar in terms of game design.  I also think it's being used to delay KH3, given it's being developed by the core KH team.

I agree with you that this isn't "KH3" though.  I suspect it'll be another FFXIII spinoff, another KH spinoff or a TWEWY sequel.


That doesn't really make sense as they'll be selling Versus to the same fanbase that bought FF XIII anyway. KH isn't a series that's bought mainly by FF fans.

Well, they'll have the genre/engine down and some proven sales threshhold to present.  I'd also say there is some fanbase crossover, though you're right in that the bulk of KH's audience isn't the FF audience.  



RageBot on 22 December 2009

Okay...

I don't consider FFXI a real FF, since it is a MMO.

I do consider CC a real FF game, since it is in the same genre, and share plot with another mainline game.

And Versus? I don't know yet, I probably won't for, for the same reasons that I don't call Kingdom Hearts a FF game, despite having FF characters, pepole refer to Versus mostly as... "Versus".



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Metallicube on 22 December 2009

I'm putting my money on either a FFVII remake (probably for PS3) or KS3 (probably for Wii), or possibly both.



Xoj on 22 December 2009
Soriku said:
jarrod said:
Soriku said:
Also, why would Versus "pave the way" for KH3? Versus and KH are completely different games in focus, story, themes, etc. and isn't run by Disney in the background.

If it does well enough, I just suspect Nomura would use it to push KH3 as a PS3 game to his bosses and Disney since it's so similar in terms of game design.  I also think it's being used to delay KH3, given it's being developed by the core KH team.

I agree with you that this isn't "KH3" though.  I suspect it'll be another FFXIII spinoff, another KH spinoff or a TWEWY sequel.


That doesn't really make sense as they'll be selling Versus to the same fanbase that bought FF XIII anyway. KH isn't a series that's bought mainly by FF fans.

but the ps3 now have the highest RPG user base, KH at core is RPG, and ps3 fanbase it's also a movie junkie, recent LBP DLC have disney in it.

it may not be bought by mainly FF fans but its bought by RPG fans, KH always releases first in japan and actually have FF roots, like spells and backgrounds.



nightsurge on 22 December 2009
Xoj said:
Soriku said:
jarrod said:
Soriku said:
Also, why would Versus "pave the way" for KH3? Versus and KH are completely different games in focus, story, themes, etc. and isn't run by Disney in the background.

If it does well enough, I just suspect Nomura would use it to push KH3 as a PS3 game to his bosses and Disney since it's so similar in terms of game design.  I also think it's being used to delay KH3, given it's being developed by the core KH team.

I agree with you that this isn't "KH3" though.  I suspect it'll be another FFXIII spinoff, another KH spinoff or a TWEWY sequel.


That doesn't really make sense as they'll be selling Versus to the same fanbase that bought FF XIII anyway. KH isn't a series that's bought mainly by FF fans.

but the ps3 now have the highest RPG user base, KH at core is RPG, and ps3 fanbase it's also a movie junkie, recent LBP DLC have disney in it.

it may not be bought by mainly FF fans but its bought by RPG fans, KH always releases first in japan and actually have FF roots, like spells and backgrounds.

How did you come to that conclusion?



jarrod on 22 December 2009
Xoj said:
Soriku said:
jarrod said:
Soriku said:
Also, why would Versus "pave the way" for KH3? Versus and KH are completely different games in focus, story, themes, etc. and isn't run by Disney in the background.

If it does well enough, I just suspect Nomura would use it to push KH3 as a PS3 game to his bosses and Disney since it's so similar in terms of game design.  I also think it's being used to delay KH3, given it's being developed by the core KH team.

I agree with you that this isn't "KH3" though.  I suspect it'll be another FFXIII spinoff, another KH spinoff or a TWEWY sequel.


That doesn't really make sense as they'll be selling Versus to the same fanbase that bought FF XIII anyway. KH isn't a series that's bought mainly by FF fans.

but the ps3 now have the highest RPG user base, KH at core is RPG, and ps3 fanbase it's also a movie junkie, recent LBP DLC have disney in it.

it may not be bought by mainly FF fans but its bought by RPG fans, KH always releases first in japan and actually have FF roots, like spells and backgrounds.

DS clearly has the highest RPG base, if that's what SE wants it should be a DS exclusive.  I'd also say Pokemon & KH are likely to have more crossover than FF & KH due to demographics alone



Xoj on 22 December 2009
jarrod said:
Xoj said:
Soriku said:
jarrod said:
Soriku said:
Also, why would Versus "pave the way" for KH3? Versus and KH are completely different games in focus, story, themes, etc. and isn't run by Disney in the background.

If it does well enough, I just suspect Nomura would use it to push KH3 as a PS3 game to his bosses and Disney since it's so similar in terms of game design.  I also think it's being used to delay KH3, given it's being developed by the core KH team.

I agree with you that this isn't "KH3" though.  I suspect it'll be another FFXIII spinoff, another KH spinoff or a TWEWY sequel.


That doesn't really make sense as they'll be selling Versus to the same fanbase that bought FF XIII anyway. KH isn't a series that's bought mainly by FF fans.

but the ps3 now have the highest RPG user base, KH at core is RPG, and ps3 fanbase it's also a movie junkie, recent LBP DLC have disney in it.

it may not be bought by mainly FF fans but its bought by RPG fans, KH always releases first in japan and actually have FF roots, like spells and backgrounds.

DS clearly has the highest RPG base, if that's what SE wants it should be a DS exclusive.  I'd also say Pokemon & KH are likely to have more crossover than FF & KH due to demographics alone

for a console? FF13 have just sold 1.5 million and its highest selling console RPG.

and kh already hit handhelds. it was one of the lowest kh sales ever.