To be fair, Sony just might be waiting for Natal to be closer to release (or at least have more solid information about Natal) before they try to "cut it down" ...

If (for example) Microsoft announced that Natal would cost $200 I'm pretty sure that Sony would spend a lot of money on ads that (basically) point out that the PSeye can do everything Natal can a (roughly) 10% the cost.

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NATAL HAVE A GREATER DEPTH PERCEPTION, why do you thinks it has 2 cameras instead of one?
People have 2 eyes thats why we can perceive masterfully depth

Depth perception is the visual ability to perceive the world in three dimensions
Natal´s sensation of depth use binocular cues (which is far more accurate) while PSeye have monocular cues.

Its like natal have all the goods of the monocular cues (perpective, relative size, familiar size, aerial perspective, motion parallax, accommodation, occlusion, etc.), all that plus convergence and stereopsis (binocular disparity) that its greater because by using two images of the same scene obtained from slightly different angles, it is possible to triangulate the distance to an object with a high degree of accuracy. If an object is far away, the disparity of that image falling on both retinas will be small. If the object is close or near, the disparity will be large.

Natal can track your body in a 3d enviroment more accurate because it has more information coming to the hardware to proccess.

Good find.

Notice how Sony is displaying a camera using IR tech that Natal currently as(meaning, they knew the limitations of RGB based motion detection and wanted a better one).  Also notice the Sony engineer say "there is only so much you can do with RGB".  Meaning, the PSEye is limited in motion detection due to using only RGB value.  That is why they needed the glowing balls.

I might be wrong, but isn't that ZCam and not just the EyeToy?

^Yes, he said it was the ZCam in the video.

Correct.  That is my point.  The Sony engineer said that there is only so much you can do with RGB.  That is why they were showing off this other device.

We can agree that Sony is not an Altruistic company : they're looking for $$, just like every other company in business.

Microsoft gaming division does often a very good job with marketing and buzz creating. Also, at E3 they had the advantage to get the first conference.

If Sony had showed their Motion control technolgy before MSFT, I'm not sure that Natal would have had the same impact on medias.

And finally I want to be clear : I'm not mitigating Natal abilities, I simply don't subscribe to Microsoft Hype Fest with it.

IMHO, Sony's solution seems to be better for gaming, a balanced compromise between Natal and Wii motion plus, but hey it could also be a fiasco...!

We'll see the results at the end of next year.

So what else is a problem given your latest news having seen it first hand, oops you haven't so yet more anecdotal evidence.  If you mean the motion control ideas for the wand shown at E3 then you're really grasping because I didn't see anything to get me excited yet, and funnily enough neither did the vast amount of professional journalists there either.

Heres a question for you all dismissing Natal, if it is just the same as eyetoy why haven't Sony come out branding it as such?  The simple answer is they know exactly what the device is and know they cannot match it with just the eyetoy.  The fact Natal has the onboard processor dedicated for the task of calculating the motion capture and voice recognition alone makes a huge boost given there is no drain on the host consoles processing power.  Look at the video Goodfella posted again and see how much the PS2 is struggling just to run such a simple "game".  That is without going into the details of the IR camera for depth perception or the facial expression recognition software either.

Will Natal be a success, the answer to that question is still unlikely until we see the software that will be released but there is no doubt its a huge increase in technology over the PSEye.

well yeah what do you expect the technology was not as good back then, but more or less it is the same thing, but improved on natal of course. natal is going to struggle without an input device other than yourself as discovered by Sony, M$ are about 8 years behind Sony and Nintendo, unless they change it of course.

did anyone ever try the party games for eyetoy back on the ps2, well if you did you know what i am going on about, motion control needs more than just body movement alone for it to work with all kinds of games.

finally i agree with the whole presentation of sony wand seemed a bit rushed, but it did show true 1:1 control without any lag. maybe people are not as hyped because Sony are not hyping it as much as MS??