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heruamon on 28 December 2009
Reasonable said:
heruamon said:
AkibaFan said:
wow it only fell 2%, this will be big

This is probably the most amazing feat this film will accomplish...that is UNREAL...I've been watching Box Office takes for a LONG time, and I've never seen anything like that before.  Movies with large opening weekends just don't do that kinda stuff.  This means the wom of phenomenal for the film.

I think the 3D and the CGI is so good Avatar has become a 'must see and judge for yourself' film.  Friends of mine who would never see a film like Avatar are taking themselves off to see it to see 'what the fuss is all about'.  While I've critised it's story, etc. as have most critics, the simple fact is that, obvious weaknesses aside, the film is pure cinema visually.  It's loaded with what we find, as a visually biased species, fascinating about sitting in the dark watching films on a very big screen.

What's going to be interesting is how this changes things for 3D.  The film industry want's to get us all back in cinema's to see 3D films rather than watching at home, and if Avatar is as big as success as the drop indicates I think we're really going to see the studios really push for more big, visually impressive 3D films.

Amazing drop, of course - unless Avatar drops big time by next weekend it's going to sail past 1 billion fairly quickly.  It should be noted though, just 'cause it's a fair point, that a large percentage of its sales are from Imax or higher priced 3D showings (I've seen it in Imax and at a higher price showning in a regular cinema) so the large numbers reflect a slightly smaller audience than they otherwise would do, but clearly hoards of people are seeing it nonetheless.

 

Yup on that last point...as they are nailing people are $2+ on those tickets..but my god...it's worth it as the film is pure cinematic chocalate/vanilla milkshake on a summer's day!



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megaman79 on 28 December 2009
Reasonable said:
heruamon said:
AkibaFan said:
wow it only fell 2%, this will be big

This is probably the most amazing feat this film will accomplish...that is UNREAL...I've been watching Box Office takes for a LONG time, and I've never seen anything like that before.  Movies with large opening weekends just don't do that kinda stuff.  This means the wom of phenomenal for the film.

I think the 3D and the CGI is so good Avatar has become a 'must see and judge for yourself' film.  Friends of mine who would never see a film like Avatar are taking themselves off to see it to see 'what the fuss is all about'.  While I've critised it's story, etc. as have most critics, the simple fact is that, obvious weaknesses aside, the film is pure cinema visually.  It's loaded with what we find, as a visually biased species, fascinating about sitting in the dark watching films on a very big screen.

What's going to be interesting is how this changes things for 3D.  The film industry want's to get us all back in cinema's to see 3D films rather than watching at home, and if Avatar is as big as success as the drop indicates I think we're really going to see the studios really push for more big, visually impressive 3D films.

Amazing drop, of course - unless Avatar drops big time by next weekend it's going to sail past 1 billion fairly quickly.  It should be noted though, just 'cause it's a fair point, that a large percentage of its sales are from Imax or higher priced 3D showings (I've seen it in Imax and at a higher price showning in a regular cinema) so the large numbers reflect a slightly smaller audience than they otherwise would do, but clearly hoards of people are seeing it nonetheless.

 

The 3D was not the best thing about the film. The world, its animals and the setting were the reasons to see it. And ofcourse seeing Cameron back where he belongs, doing huge sci fi epics.

Well Tintin is being shot with stereoscopic cameras, not sure about Burton's Wonderland, so that will be another potential film to check out.



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Reasonable on 28 December 2009
megaman79 said:
Reasonable said:
heruamon said:
AkibaFan said:
wow it only fell 2%, this will be big

This is probably the most amazing feat this film will accomplish...that is UNREAL...I've been watching Box Office takes for a LONG time, and I've never seen anything like that before.  Movies with large opening weekends just don't do that kinda stuff.  This means the wom of phenomenal for the film.

I think the 3D and the CGI is so good Avatar has become a 'must see and judge for yourself' film.  Friends of mine who would never see a film like Avatar are taking themselves off to see it to see 'what the fuss is all about'.  While I've critised it's story, etc. as have most critics, the simple fact is that, obvious weaknesses aside, the film is pure cinema visually.  It's loaded with what we find, as a visually biased species, fascinating about sitting in the dark watching films on a very big screen.

What's going to be interesting is how this changes things for 3D.  The film industry want's to get us all back in cinema's to see 3D films rather than watching at home, and if Avatar is as big as success as the drop indicates I think we're really going to see the studios really push for more big, visually impressive 3D films.

Amazing drop, of course - unless Avatar drops big time by next weekend it's going to sail past 1 billion fairly quickly.  It should be noted though, just 'cause it's a fair point, that a large percentage of its sales are from Imax or higher priced 3D showings (I've seen it in Imax and at a higher price showning in a regular cinema) so the large numbers reflect a slightly smaller audience than they otherwise would do, but clearly hoards of people are seeing it nonetheless.

 

The 3D was not the best thing about the film. The world, its animals and the setting were the reasons to see it. And ofcourse seeing Cameron back where he belongs, doing huge sci fi epics.

Well Tintin is being shot with stereoscopic cameras, not sure about Burton's Wonderland, so that will be another potential film to check out.

Agreed.  But I wasn't really saying the 3D was the best thing about it, simply that the 3D, alongside the idea of raising the bar in showing another world, seems to be driving a 'must see' element of the film.

 



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heruamon on 28 December 2009

Pandora is a world I desperately wanted to be on...it brought back memories of the first Jurassic Park...that fist scene when you saw the Dinosaurs!



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

heruamon on 28 December 2009

Well...Avatar busted up the dark knight's 2nd weekend record. I thought it would hold until the next Spider-Man, but it looks like Avatar had other plans...I'm even more confident that this thing is going to #2 alltime now. It's going to be #1 for like 6-8 weeks, as it is...it's just a must see experience for moviegoers. Cameron is going to kinda slip into a class by himself with Titanic and Avatar being #1 and 2.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2633&p=l.htm



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tarheel91 on 28 December 2009
rocketpig said:
I hate to say it but I didn't find the Na'Vi interesting as characters either. The ol' "we'll fight 'em to the end, no matter the disadvantage" tribal stance isn't new, either, and I found their African tribal getup and music far too blatantly allusory for my tastes. In fact, the Na'Vi were downright MORONIC in the movie. I mean, for crying out loud, these people have GUNSHIPS versus your arrows. Anyone who is smarter than a tadpole knows to stay the hell out of that fight, yet they steadfastly tried to hold on to their home without any kind of reasonable defensive plan or... well, anything, really. The humans had been there for years but it seemed as if the Na'Vi weren't interested in forming a strategy past "shoot arrows at the truck tires". Maybe the Colonel was the smartest guy in the film... Those ridiculous smurfs deserved to be wiped out for being cork-on-the-fork stupid.

Now that I think of it, I don't know if there was one intelligent character in that entire bloody film.

If you've seen so many stories about colonialism, I don't understand how you find the whole "defend one's home even if it means certain death" thing ridiculous.  There have been countless battles between the USA and native american tribes over land.  Just check out the events leading up to the Trail of Tears, especially the Seminole Wars.  Not every culture works the same as ours.  Native Americans tend to value place greatly, far more than time (opposite of Americans).  They remember events more by how they relate geographically than chronologically (especially in terms of history).  To them, giving up their land might really be worse than death.  The Native Americans aren't the only people like this, either, just a well known example.

 

As I said before, there are references to various colonial situations, and having caricatures serve as the leaders of the conquering force and "unobtanium" as the object they desire keeps the setting of the movie very general so that it doesn't get tied down with a single point in history.  As a result, you see stuff that's reminiscent of Vietnam, Native Americans, African Colonialism, East Asian Colonialism, Iraq, etc.  I found that pretty unique, and I felt it made a stronger statement against colonialism in general than a lot of the other stuff I've read and seen on the subject (Dances with Wolves, Things Fall Apart, Heart of Darkness, etc.; I've typed out this list eleventy seven times).  They may have a more powerful effect overall (I don't think I'd put this movie on quite the same level), but that effect is limited to a certain situation, rather than the idea of colonialism.

 

@Stof: I think my second paragraph answers the whole "Unobtanium--Good or Bad?" thing (in my opinion, of course; I'm not trying to suggest it's fact).  Also, I just watched it for the second time and noticed much more how attractive Nayatrei (main female) is.  They got the curves on her perfect.   That really surprised me considering how slim they are as a species.  So, yeah, she was bangin'.



madman25 on 28 December 2009

The huge box office means that it will get a couple more oscar noms than it would have had it been a moderate success. Which means a long, successful boxoffice run going into March.



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Dgc1808 on 28 December 2009

The theater here didn't have it in 3-D... Watched it twice though and loved it



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heruamon on 28 December 2009
madman25 said:
The huge box office means that it will get a couple more oscar noms than it would have had it been a moderate success. Which means a long, successful boxoffice run going into March.

As Reasonable said...not much hope for best picture, imho, but I won't take Best director off the table for Cameron...the movie is a cinematic masterpiece, and he was far mroe than the director of it...he was the force of nature making sure the film happened.  It will sweep the technical awards for the most part, but it might squeeze in a few more, imho.  As for the Box Office...I suspect it's heading for #2 alltime, at the very least.



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

TheRealMafoo on 29 December 2009
rocketpig said:
I hate to say it but I didn't find the Na'Vi interesting as characters either. The ol' "we'll fight 'em to the end, no matter the disadvantage" tribal stance isn't new, either, and I found their African tribal getup and music far too blatantly allusory for my tastes. In fact, the Na'Vi were downright MORONIC in the movie. I mean, for crying out loud, these people have GUNSHIPS versus your arrows. Anyone who is smarter than a tadpole knows to stay the hell out of that fight, yet they steadfastly tried to hold on to their home without any kind of reasonable defensive plan or... well, anything, really. The humans had been there for years but it seemed as if the Na'Vi weren't interested in forming a strategy past "shoot arrows at the truck tires". Maybe the Colonel was the smartest guy in the film... Those ridiculous smurfs deserved to be wiped out for being cork-on-the-fork stupid.

Now that I think of it, I don't know if there was one intelligent character in that entire bloody film.
To the Na'Vi, the world was them. There were connected to it in a way humans can not understand.
They were not fighting for some chunk of land, or a tree. They were fighting for themselves. It's like if your chained to a table, and a saw is coming down on your arm, even if you have no chance to save it, your going to fight against the restraints until your arm is cut off.
The part of the movie I found to be stupid, is the fact that the 'company' used force at all. The least profitable way to achieve a goal, is through military. They would have tried many other ways first.
Also, with so much mineral on the planet worth so much money, they would have harvested the areas where it's easy to get to for hundreds of years before they invaded that location.
It's just an example of hollywood portraying corporate america as evil. Not only an inaccurate message to send, it's a sad commentary on where we are in the world that succeeding in business is somehow become a bad thing.

 

To the Na'Vi, the world was them. There were connected to it in a way humans can not understand.

They were not fighting for some chunk of land, or a tree. They were fighting for themselves. It's like if your chained to a table, and a saw is coming down on your arm, even if you have no chance to save it, your going to fight against the restraints until your arm is cut off.

The part of the movie I found to be stupid, is the fact that the 'company' used force at all. The least profitable way to achieve a goal, is through military. They would have tried many other ways first.

Also, with so much mineral on the planet worth so much money, they would have harvested the areas where it's easy to get to for hundreds of years before they invaded that location.

It's just an example of hollywood portraying corporate america as evil. Not only an inaccurate message to send, it's a sad commentary on where we are in the world that succeeding in business has somehow become a bad thing.