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Kenryoku_Maxis on 18 December 2009
Khuutra said:
Soonerman, why did you limit it to ten games?

And why did you focus solely on consoles?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=87629

This larger, more complete list paints a very different picture.

Nearly everyone else in this thread seemed to be focusing on consoles.  At least he mentioned handhelds.

And he's the first person to put up a list that shows a hint of non-bais.  While I still say the view of which 'side' is winning (western developers or 'Japan') is entirely subjective and based more on your views of where your favorite games come from more than sales or critic scores, his list at least puts the topic into perspective without any side having a clear advantage.

However, I would like to point out, if the same list was redone, but handheld games were thrown into the mix with console games, you'd pretty much see nothing but Nintendo Wii and DS games on the list.  Hence why I think everyone is trying to focus on only console games in this thread, to give their respective 'western' argument a chance.  Since they focus on the PS3 and 360.

Which makes me wonder why you aren't mentioning PC.



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lestatdark on 18 December 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
lestatdark said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
lestatdark said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
lestatdark said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
lestatdark said:
J-Man, why won't you do fair thing to do, and also highlight the games that S.T.A.G.E mentioned in his posts that are also not released yet? ;)

Because he made a list of games coming out next year because someone else said that "blah blah" is coming out next year and because of this "blah" japan wins..........read the post.

Oh, I've read it don't worry, because if you look closely, I was having an exchange with him at that time ;) I just wanted to point out that in order to keep fairness that should be done as well, but then again, this thread was never about fairness in the first place :P

Is there another list(too lazy to check)....but the recent one is definitely fair...hes listing games coming out next year...

The list that you edited about japanese games, also has games coming out next year ;)

But it also has games that are also released also meaning the person is trying to say that japan wins because of unreleased games.........your really not thinking this through seph.

We're going around in circles :P S.T.A.G.E also said that western developers wins this gen and listed games that are coming out next year, like GOW III, Alpha Protocol and Mass Effect 2.

I'm not saying that either list is correct, if we are going to compare in this particular gen so far, we should only use games that are released, yet I was only pointing that out due to fairness.

And that's my point in this discussion ;) 

The Japanese gaming fanatics are the ones who are running people in circles. I stated in fact that the west has the far more quality titles and AAA exclusives than Japan. They are coming in large amounts compared to Japan next year. I made two different lists since some people demanded I prove my point (which I did). They asked me to show quality western made games without them being shooters and I did. They then asked me to show a list of the hottest western titles coming out next year because Japan is going to have a strong year. Don't get me wrong because Japan will have some really strong titles, but they do not compare to the west's titles. The major AAA Japanese titles released next year are FFXIII, The Last Guardian, Versus, GT5, Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid: The other M.

Hey, i'm not even arguing if you're either right or wrong, my discussion with the J-Man, was that he only bothered to point out upcoming games in peoples list, when it was made in the Japanese arguments, and didn't do it for the other way around ;)

Quite frankly I don't even care about this discussion anymore, as you can see, either side will give it's arguments about which developers are the better ones, and as you know from our previous discussion, I think that both sides have given us great games and I really hoped that somehow people in this forum could see that as well. Guess it won't happen anytime soon.



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nen-suer on 18 December 2009
lestatdark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
lestatdark said:

 

Hey, i'm not even arguing if you're either right or wrong, my discussion with the J-Man, was that he only bothered to point out upcoming games in peoples list, when it was made in the Japanese arguments, and didn't do it for the other way around ;)

Quite frankly I don't even care about this discussion anymore, as you can see, either side will give it's arguments about which developers are the better ones, and as you know from our previous discussion, I think that both sides have given us great games and I really hoped that somehow people in this forum could see that as well. Guess it won't happen anytime soon.


Give S.T.A.G.E a break
 
When he log in latter he will find out that FFXIII sold 1 million day one not including bundles xD



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lestatdark on 18 December 2009
nen-suer said:
lestatdark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
lestatdark said:
 

 

Hey, i'm not even arguing if you're either right or wrong, my discussion with the J-Man, was that he only bothered to point out upcoming games in peoples list, when it was made in the Japanese arguments, and didn't do it for the other way around ;)

Quite frankly I don't even care about this discussion anymore, as you can see, either side will give it's arguments about which developers are the better ones, and as you know from our previous discussion, I think that both sides have given us great games and I really hoped that somehow people in this forum could see that as well. Guess it won't happen anytime soon.


Give S.T.A.G.E a break
 
When he log in latter he will find out that FFXIII sold 1 million day one not including bundles xD

Oh right, his bet with Perpride xD Is it confirmed to be only 1 million day one, or is it like the news posted, over a million without proper confirmation yet?



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nen-suer on 18 December 2009
lestatdark said:
nen-suer said:
lestatdark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
lestatdark said:
 

 

Hey, i'm not even arguing if you're either right or wrong, my discussion with the J-Man, was that he only bothered to point out upcoming games in peoples list, when it was made in the Japanese arguments, and didn't do it for the other way around ;)

Quite frankly I don't even care about this discussion anymore, as you can see, either side will give it's arguments about which developers are the better ones, and as you know from our previous discussion, I think that both sides have given us great games and I really hoped that somehow people in this forum could see that as well. Guess it won't happen anytime soon.


Give S.T.A.G.E a break
 
When he log in latter he will find out that FFXIII sold 1 million day one not including bundles xD

Oh right, his bet with Perpride xD Is it confirmed to be only 1 million day one, or is it like the news posted, over a million without proper confirmation yet?

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6261



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lestatdark on 18 December 2009
nen-suer said:
lestatdark said:
nen-suer said:
lestatdark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
lestatdark said:
 

 

Hey, i'm not even arguing if you're either right or wrong, my discussion with the J-Man, was that he only bothered to point out upcoming games in peoples list, when it was made in the Japanese arguments, and didn't do it for the other way around ;)

Quite frankly I don't even care about this discussion anymore, as you can see, either side will give it's arguments about which developers are the better ones, and as you know from our previous discussion, I think that both sides have given us great games and I really hoped that somehow people in this forum could see that as well. Guess it won't happen anytime soon.


Give S.T.A.G.E a break
 
When he log in latter he will find out that FFXIII sold 1 million day one not including bundles xD

Oh right, his bet with Perpride xD Is it confirmed to be only 1 million day one, or is it like the news posted, over a million without proper confirmation yet?

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6261

Aha, so it could be even higher xD Oh boy, Darth, Carl and Perpride are going to have a field day with these news :D 



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Linkasf on 18 December 2009

I don't know which to choose tbh... Im not very satisfied with any of the games this gen just yet ;/



pariz on 18 December 2009
forest-spirit said:
Japan gave me Valkyria Chronicles. And my Top 5 Most Wanted games are all Japanese.

Couldn't had said it better.

I am not much interested in FPS and WRPG do not appeal me. I guess the best western has done for me this generation was HotD:Overkill and Uncharted. Not saying that they are bad, we know that they are great, specialy what Naughty Dog has dos with both iterations, but if I would write up a list of what Japan gave me this generation I could hardly stop.

Monster Hunter Tri, Tales of Graces, Tales of Vesperia, Final Fantasy XIII, Crystal Bearers, Heavy Rain, No More Heroes 2, and so on.

 

 



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nen-suer on 18 December 2009

@lestat

i predicted 1.4 first day (they said over a million sold and if there is 200K bundles.... i came close)

1.8 million first week (well..they limited the first shipment to the exact number..i don't know why they did this to me

i think it should do 1.5-1.7 first week total (man if it sold out my prediction was dead on xD)



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lestatdark on 18 December 2009

@nen-suer

Hope your predictions come true, that would mean that FFXIII would do just as good as FFX and FFXII, which lots of people here in the site considered to be ridiculous. This would teach a lesson to them, never underestimate the power of the FF brand xD



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