Can we somehow stop re-broadcasting Pachter's predictions? I'm confused why people are paying so much attention to this particular analyst... He just won't stop. o_o

Digitally distributed sales are not big, we can assume that fairly safely, they are always much smaller than retail, until we have evidence otherwise it's a valid assumption.

I doubt if we include others data it'd be doing anything special. The game just isn't what people want.

Saying GTA's core demographic doesn't line up with DS is one thing, and perfectly defensible I'd say.  But that's not what Pachter said, he claimed the majority of DS owners were 17 or under, which is something Nintendo's own figures suggest against.  I'd also say a good amount of GTA's core demographic is under 17 anyway, but that's another whole argument...

Monster Hunter added great multiplayer on the move capabilities to the title.

the problem with the tony hawk series is that its not even close the realism at all i skateboarded for 6 years and loved tony hawk 1-4 and even underground but after skate well damn tony what happened to you

It downgraded multiplayer.  Console versions had online.

Pachter doesnt like annual games because they arent fresh. Pachter wants Tony hawk 25 to go back to a controller. Pachter being Pachter.

GTFO @ all those ppl who are dragging the psp into this watered down, old underpowered ds port
i mean seriously dude, it's a ds game ported to the psp + it was released late on the psp. what would u guys expect ?


* Patcher is spot on with those statements

"Mature" games don't sell on DS. Games don't sell on PSP. Pick your poison...

No he isn't. If you read the responses here you would realise that the comments are wrong in a number of ways.

1) The DS audience is very wide in its demographic. Nintendo collect information on its consumers and find that there are many tens of millions of 'mature'  owners. It is easy to represent the DS as a kiddy machine because Nintendo gained the reputation through marketing (by Sega) in the early 1990s and because a sizeable proportion of its players are under 10. This reflects the diversity of the DS market rather than its supposed childishness. The DS sells 'core' games quite well and GTA may well end up with 1.5 million or so by the time its done, which should be seen as okay. It was never going to do massive amounts.

2) Secondly, the GTA game appeals to 'immature' people as well as 'mature' consumers. We all know that people younger than 17 own the GTA games. I guess that it must make up a decent proportion of the GTA market.

Both DS and PSP versions have been massively undermarketed and hyped compared to the main franchise. This is not surprising as the main series relies on big impact of graphics and 'realism' for its selling point. GTA 4 was all over the news as well as elsewhere. CW was limited to websites and a few phoneboxes (at least in the UK).

I also fail to see why a 'late port' should be a reason for poor sales when the game is actually very good. A good game is worth buying. I guess the lack of hype and the shallow 'graphics' factor is at least part of the reason for poor sales on both machines.