Spin! Come on guys, I've been saying it for a while. The future of JRPGs lie within the PS3. Devs either need to make them exclusive to it or Multiplat with the PS3 from Day 1. Tales of Vesperia would have probably been a bigger hit if it released either exclusively or Day-to-Day with the 360.

Frankly Namco shot themselves in the foot when they decided to ignore the PS3

The "future of RPGs" is on handhelds, what the consoles get are scraps in comparison. If you really want to argue about the next "big thing" for console RPGs, it's FF13, and after that, Dragon Quest X...which is on the Wii.

Those 312k are from late october which is when it disapeared from the Famitsu top 30, but that doesn't mean that it suddenly stopped selling, and at the end of the year you will probably get a top 100/500 list of the best selling title's from Media-create and Enterbrain.

It's kinda sad that you are trying to put everything down related to Tales, just too make those Tales of Graces numbers look good. Fanboyism at is best.

pretty sad that ToG sold that . the wii with an userbase 8 times as greater as the 360's in japan, yet only managed to sell 40 k more first week. Tales fans bought a 360 for ToV, they're just not interested in the Wii, hence its low sales.

Soriku -

But the fact is, Vesperia will wind up selling 150,000 units on the PS3 more than Graces does on the Wii. There is very little likelihood that margin will change.

Jilarious!

When Vesperia PS3 numbers came in, Sony apologists sent damage control into overdrive. "Oh, those numbers are okay...for a lazy, late port that no one really wanted!" Now that Graces is on its first week, suddenly Vesperia's sales are the holy grail and it is the future of all RPGs everywhere for eternity.

Let's not forget that Vesperia is barely on par with Legendia, which was considered the low point for the series on PS2. Everything else sold oclose to or above 500k, so if you're using the decline of Tales but focusing on Graces and not acknowledging, say, Vesperia/Tempest/Hearts/Innocence, then you've clearly got an agenda.

Soriku,

I *want* Tales to sell better because it is a great series. I really enjoyed Vesperia, and hope that more Tales games are made. Its not a matter of want, but it is a matter of data and metrics. I stated in the last thread (which you argued against) that Tales has a very constrained multiplier when it comes to first week to first month. All console Tales games, sans maybe Vesperia on 360 have followed that pattern.

Because of that, with a 143k opening, we can say that there is a 99.5% (or greater) likelihood that Graces will have sold 62-72% of it's opening on its opening week. So I state these numbers:

Low end (72%): 198,000
High end (62%): 230,000
Median: 214,000

Why do you affirm then that ToV is overtracked by VGchartz using late October data from Famitsu as an arguement?

I'l tell you, it's all psycologicall and you are just trying make the gap look smaller between those title's essentially to yourself.

If Tales of Eleven ends up selling 500k for whatever reason on the PS360 in a year or so (Hypothetically speaking), I already know that we will get comments like "Tales of Graces" wasn't marketed very well, FFXIII and NSMB killed it etc...etc...

A couple of months your expectactions where that it would outsell Tales of Vesperia PS3 and ClaudeLv250 said that it would sell 500k, because it was being made by Team Destiny, and now it's selling good because some low-budget Tales of games have sold 250k units on the DS.

Do it like Capcom!

Sengoku BASARA is a Wii game that is being up-ported to the PS3.

Less costs, better results!! (have to wait and see about that)

This reply is 10 kinds of fail. It doesn't even make sense.

- You say Wii has a bigger install base and then bring up the fact that people had to buy a 360 for Vesperia as if it were a good thing. Spin it until you get dizzy; people having to buy the console for the one game is not better for the franchise than people already owning the console.

- Userbase argument follows no logical thought whatsoever. Tales has a built in fanbase; it doesn't sell to install bases, it sells to a fanbase. "Compared to install base" is always a terrible argument, especially when you're talking about a franchise across multiple consoles but conveniently cherry picking one.

- "they're just not interested in the Wii" ...which is why Dawn of the New World outsold Vesperia 360 with Graces on its way to doing the same? Really? Is my sarcasm detector broken? Because what you're saying is a complete contradiction of reality.

There's barely a 150k gap between the games now. Graces is still selling, Vesperia isn't. Do you honestly believe what you type or are you just getting kicks out of trying to confuse Soriku with numbers that hold no basis?