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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Soriku said:
Kennyheart said:
Soriku said:
"I think the areas that are going to be really critical to our success will be family games, as well as shooters and sports games. Those are going to be the areas that will really define success, because they're areas that quite honestly, I think Project Natal and the Wii are going to have trouble matching, from a differentiation standpoint"

I think they've sealed their own fate. The reason why the Wii and DS sell more than the other consoles is because they were different. Copying what the Wii does best is...not wise.

why?


Because ripoffs of big names don't work. The casuals were on the Wii since 3 years ago.


if they can sell it to more cacusal players they won't care.

You can't sell it to consumers if you don't understand their desires

maybe they do?

No, his comments prove he doesn't he thinks the holy grail is putting people into the game, when that's not what the downmarket wants, the downmarket isn't looking for immersive epics that suck you in

Do you know what the downmarket wants?



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BHR-3 said:
nice thread
i agree the ps3 is also going to get its motion on earlier than natal it will kick start things for HD motion controls just like the 360 did for HD gaming back in 06

2010 will be a great year for the ps3 gaming and sales wise i believe it will sell even more HW than wat it will this year and this year its looking like it will be near 13mill WW

dont forget ps home is gettin a FF13 space and costumes by next year too


I am glad some says something postive on this.



Kennyheart said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Soriku said:
Kennyheart said:
Soriku said:
"I think the areas that are going to be really critical to our success will be family games, as well as shooters and sports games. Those are going to be the areas that will really define success, because they're areas that quite honestly, I think Project Natal and the Wii are going to have trouble matching, from a differentiation standpoint"

I think they've sealed their own fate. The reason why the Wii and DS sell more than the other consoles is because they were different. Copying what the Wii does best is...not wise.

why?


Because ripoffs of big names don't work. The casuals were on the Wii since 3 years ago.


if they can sell it to more cacusal players they won't care.

You can't sell it to consumers if you don't understand their desires

maybe they do?

No, his comments prove he doesn't he thinks the holy grail is putting people into the game, when that's not what the downmarket wants, the downmarket isn't looking for immersive epics that suck you in

Do you know what the downmarket wants?

Yes, and you can see it too, look at the big games on Wii, they aren't immersive games, they are games you can play for a few minutes and put down, games you can play socially, games that can fit into your life, this is what the downmarket wants



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Soriku said:
Kennyheart said:
Soriku said:
"I think the areas that are going to be really critical to our success will be family games, as well as shooters and sports games. Those are going to be the areas that will really define success, because they're areas that quite honestly, I think Project Natal and the Wii are going to have trouble matching, from a differentiation standpoint"

I think they've sealed their own fate. The reason why the Wii and DS sell more than the other consoles is because they were different. Copying what the Wii does best is...not wise.

why?


Because ripoffs of big names don't work. The casuals were on the Wii since 3 years ago.


if they can sell it to more cacusal players they won't care.

You can't sell it to consumers if you don't understand their desires

maybe they do?

No, his comments prove he doesn't he thinks the holy grail is putting people into the game, when that's not what the downmarket wants, the downmarket isn't looking for immersive epics that suck you in

Do you know what the downmarket wants?

Yes, and you can see it too, look at the big games on Wii, they aren't immersive games, they are games you can play for a few minutes and put down, games you can play socially, games that can fit into your life, this is what the downmarket wants

And you don't think sony will try that.



Soriku said:
Kennyheart said:

And you don't think sony will try that.


They can...it's just they're tapping into a market that's already been taken...


They got to try in get in on the monopoly that is the wii.



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dragonmagician said:
"Going into the back half of the year, we have a number of key launches. We haven't really announced all of them yet, but the titles that will be launching at the time are going to be very exciting. Some of the big franchises, as well as new IPs have new ways to game, not motion control gaming, but in other ways. It's going to be a really strong lineup."

I'm more interested in and excited about this statement.

You and me both.

I dont like the sound of  the "casual, shooter and sports" as the focus of motion controls. Sports games suck with it imo, shooters are more of a burden to me and i dont like the "family casual" games. So it looks like if this is where theyre heading im passing just like i thought i would.

Im more curious is that new leaked breakable wand duo to sixaxis is accurate because they cant possible expect people to single fist a dual shock and make it "immersive".

Big meh from me, except what dragonmagician said, thats got me excited.



Soriku said:
Kennyheart said:

And you don't think sony will try that.


They can...it's just they're tapping into a market that's already been taken...

I agree.  It'll be very hard for Sony to gain a foothold in the motion control-embracing market.  They'll probably get a few hardcore guys like me onboard, partly because we're Wii fans and partly because we recognize the positive additions the controls will bring to games like LBP, and they'll probably get a few people on board that were thinking of buying Wiis in addition to their ps3s, but as for the Wii market, I doubt they'll convince too many people to buy ps3s, for a variety of reasons:

1.  They already have Wiis!  With far more motion based software than the ps3.  They might as well get them to "upgrade" to ps3 for more challenge, "hardcaore" games like Fallout rather than motion controls with shinier graphics.  The Wii is so successful becuase it has brought millions of new people into gaming, and the best Sony can hope to grap from Nintendo are people who are looking for a more challenging experience than Wii Sports.  But even then, the Wii has games like this to cater to the expanded audience, like Zelda.

2. Why would they spend $299+ on what is essentially a Wii HD, only a Wii HD with no Nintendo titles?

3. For those that own neither console yet, how will they convince them to pick up a controller when Nintendo apparently could not?

Sony is late to the party on this one.  They will make the ps3 a more valuable proposition by offering more ways to play, yeah, but they won't cash in on the expanded market like Nintendo has.

 



This thread must be some kind of a trap, two people banned already.



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I have difficulty believing that he means PSP Go is exceeding their intentions. PSP has been down worldwide by significant amounts against 2008 even with the launch of the Go. In terms of revenue, they may be making more since Go costs an arm and a leg. But for hardware, the PSP forecast was raised, not lowered or held the same from 2008, and just in the USA PSP is down 1/4 in Oct-Nov even with the Go.  It will be down by a quarter or more in December too.



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makingmusic476 said:
Soriku said:
Kennyheart said:

And you don't think sony will try that.


They can...it's just they're tapping into a market that's already been taken...

I agree.  It'll be very hard for Sony to gain a foothold in the motion control-embracing market.  They'll probably get a few hardcore guys like me onboard, partly because we're Wii fans and partly because we recognize the positive additions the controls will bring to games like LBP, and they'll probably get a few people on board that were thinking of buying Wiis in addition to their ps3s, but as for the Wii market, I doubt they'll convince too many people to upgrade, for a variety of reasons:

1.  They already have Wiis!  With far more motion based software than the ps3.  They might as well get them to "upgrade" to ps3 for more challenge, "hardcaore" games like Fallout rather than motion controls with shinier graphics.  The Wii is so successful becuase it has brought millions of new people into gaming, and the best Sony can hope to grap from Nintendo are people who are looking for a more challenging experience than Wii Sports.  But even then, the Wii has games like this to cater to the expanded audience, like Zelda.

2. Why would they spend $299+ on what is essentially a Wii HD, only a Wii HD with no Nintendo titles?

3. For those that own neither console yet, how will they convince them to pick up a controller when Nintendo apparently could not?

Sony is late to the party on this one.  They will make the ps3 a more valuable proposition by offering more ways to play, yeah, but they won't cash in on the expanded market like Nintendo has.

 

1.What sony needs to do is make hardware to make wii owners put down there wii.

2.I don't think people buy a wii all for nintendo games.

3.That one guy from the commerical will get them.

Like i said before They want to take som eonf the wii popularity.