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nightsurge on 15 December 2009
max power said:
tuscaniman said:
Scoobes said:
I thought this argument was settled a long time ago. Anyone that can't admit that keyboard+mouse is better is simply in denial. And as max power said, did you mention that console games need auto-aim to make up for the crap controls making it less about skill than on PC where it truly is your reactions that determine your performance.

If I remember right Halo doesn't have auto-aim, at least it isn't obvious like it is in the COD series. Nothing like waiting for someone to walk by your crosshairs for it to automatically follow them(MW i'm looking at you) Does Halo have auto-aim?

Yes, Halo has auto-aim. 

Only Halo 2 and 3.  The original true Halo did not have auto-aim



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CaseyDDR on 15 December 2009
nightsurge said:
Neither is better. They are both better for their own reasons that cancel out. The skill level of the players is the same on either platform. As someone who played CoD4 extensively on both 360 and PC, I can attest to this. While the kb+m combo is much more accurate and easy to use for aiming, I still prefer the controller because I just think it feels more natural than using my left hand to press keys on a keyboard for movement. As to his argument about controllers being tougher, he is on the right track, he just didn't expand upon it very well, or you didn't include all of his arguments. Dual analog is much more difficult to use than a mouse for aiming. It requires much longer practice to master your sensitivity level. The unfortunate downside to this is that developers think they need to add auto-aim on consoles. I absolutely hate this feature because it is ALWAYS messing up my sniping on CoD4 when players are running in front of my aiming reticule.

Now, I'm not saying console players are more skilled because their input device is harder to master. The players on either game are equally skilled. I am the top player on either platform when I play, and I see no difference in skill level of others. If you take the best players on consoles, give them time to adapt to kb+m they will be just as good as the best players on consoles and vice versa.

Oh, and just to try it out, I used a program called X-padder (I think) to map my 360 controller for CoD4 on PC, and while using the controller I was still in the top 3 players. The only problem with the controller was that when looking down the sights, there was no change in sensitivity like there is on console, so I was not used to that and it ruined it for me. If they could make a good "half" controller for the 360 that I could do movement with a controller and aiming with a mouse, I'd die a happy man.

Quit being ignorant, everybody knows MKB is much better than console, and any game on 360 or PS3 that's a FPS would be much better WITH a MKB option.

A mouse is HIGHLY more accurate than a analog stick will ever be. 



The Halo francise is the most overrated bland game to ever hit the console market. It provides a bad name to all FPS that even showed effort at creating an original entertaining plot.

I probably have more ps3 games than you :/ 

AdventWolf on 15 December 2009

Auto-aim is the worse, I never got a kill because of auto-aim. I am trying to kill someone then all of a sudden another guy is running across the screen so the bullets go in between both of them and you die. Auto-aim is for newer players so not everyone uses it.



twesterm on 15 December 2009
max power said:
twesterm said:
Honestly, I prefer controllers because I'm just better at it and it feels better.

Since I'm left handed I can never get the keyboard setup exactly how I want it, setting up the keys is always a pain, and I never remember how I do it from game to game so controls are always different from game to game.

It could be the little bit of auto aim most controller games put in, I don't know, but I just prefer to play the FPS with a controller.

I don't think I'm going to convince you, but there's no reason being left-handed should be a hindrance.  You could place your right hand on IKJL keys for movement (with your index finger on the 'J' key, just like when you type) and your left hand on the mouse. 

I've actually never tried that.  I've always used the arrow keys when on a laptop and the numpad when using an actual keyboard.

Next time I boot up Dragon Age I'll give IKJL a try, thanks.

Still though, that really doesn't solve my general problems.



 

outlawauron on 15 December 2009

Just let him prefer what he wants. Many people hate using keyboard and mouse for FPS. *looks over at Modern Warfare 2 sales*



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tuscaniman on 15 December 2009
max power said:
tuscaniman said:
Scoobes said:
I thought this argument was settled a long time ago. Anyone that can't admit that keyboard+mouse is better is simply in denial. And as max power said, did you mention that console games need auto-aim to make up for the crap controls making it less about skill than on PC where it truly is your reactions that determine your performance.

If I remember right Halo doesn't have auto-aim, at least it isn't obvious like it is in the COD series. Nothing like waiting for someone to walk by your crosshairs for it to automatically follow them(MW i'm looking at you) Does Halo have auto-aim?

Yes, Halo has auto-aim. 

Are you sure about that? The only guns auto-aim would be obvious with would be the AR and the BR..and I know the BR doesn't automatically lock on, at least nowhere near the level of a COD game. The spiker, needler lock on because thats what the gun is designed to do. I'll have to pop Halo back in to check this out.



nightsurge on 15 December 2009
CaseyDDR said:
nightsurge said:
Neither is better. They are both better for their own reasons that cancel out. The skill level of the players is the same on either platform. As someone who played CoD4 extensively on both 360 and PC, I can attest to this. While the kb+m combo is much more accurate and easy to use for aiming, I still prefer the controller because I just think it feels more natural than using my left hand to press keys on a keyboard for movement. As to his argument about controllers being tougher, he is on the right track, he just didn't expand upon it very well, or you didn't include all of his arguments. Dual analog is much more difficult to use than a mouse for aiming. It requires much longer practice to master your sensitivity level. The unfortunate downside to this is that developers think they need to add auto-aim on consoles. I absolutely hate this feature because it is ALWAYS messing up my sniping on CoD4 when players are running in front of my aiming reticule.

Now, I'm not saying console players are more skilled because their input device is harder to master. The players on either game are equally skilled. I am the top player on either platform when I play, and I see no difference in skill level of others. If you take the best players on consoles, give them time to adapt to kb+m they will be just as good as the best players on PC and vice versa.

Oh, and just to try it out, I used a program called X-padder (I think) to map my 360 controller for CoD4 on PC, and while using the controller I was still in the top 3 players. The only problem with the controller was that when looking down the sights, there was no change in sensitivity like there is on console, so I was not used to that and it ruined it for me. If they could make a good "half" controller for the 360 that I could do movement with a controller and aiming with a mouse, I'd die a happy man.

Quit being ignorant, everybody knows MKB is much better than console, and any game on 360 or PS3 that's a FPS would be much better WITH a MKB option.

A mouse is HIGHLY more accurate than a analog stick will ever be. 

I'm being ignorant?  Did you even read what I wrote? I admitted the mouse is always going to be more accurate....



TWRoO on 15 December 2009

Hell I don't play FPS on PC at all and I could have told your family member the same things.



V-r0cK on 15 December 2009

Its all really people's preferences and nothing more. I started FPS on my PC with KB+M, and now mainly play FPS on console. Tho i feel more in control on KB+M, the comfort and easy holding makes up for on controller, and i prefer some distance away from my screen lol.

Seriously MS shouldve made Halo 3 for PC as well and allow them to go online against those on XBL and have the best group of PC vs the best group of 360 against eachother. Then bragging rights about which control is better will be determined lol.



hYpnochronic on 15 December 2009

Am I the only one who prefers the Wii remote? haha.

I used to prefer the KB/M (especially during the Halflife days) but I got away from it becoz I prefer to lay back and relax when I play games. The KB/M makes it too hard to do that. Plus, carpal tunnel isn't something I wanna get.