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Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Khuutra said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Khuutra said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Actually you can have diversity with 2D games, just look at the NES and SNES and handhelds, and only one 3D Zelda has ever passed 2D Zelda.

Its more profitable to make games 2D, you can have more diversity and more games out in a year with 2D, and sales will be on par or even better than 3D, so yeah 3D is pointless

Avinash, the first Zelda is not a proper metric here. It outsold every other 2-D Zelda by 30%, minimum. The 3D vs. 2D sales battle is roughly even, except that Twilight Princess tilts it in favor of 3D

  No OoT is the best argument for 3D, but TP proves the flaw in 3D Zelda, no 3D Zelda will ever equal OoT, but you can be sure TP was more expensive than OoT, and much more than LttP or LOZ 1, for less sales than LOZ 1 and only a bit more than LttP

I'm sorry, did you forget that Twilight Princess is sitting at like 7.2 million sold? Did that escape you?

There's nothing saying that TP was more expensive, in point of fact!

Phantom Hourglass is going to sell "a little bit more" than LttP. Twilight Princess destroyed it. Twilight Princess is going to sell "a little bit more" than Legend of Zelda.

Actually TP is sitting at 6.94 according to VGC

lol, you're actually going to try and argue that N64 Dev costs were higher than Wii Dev costs?

Actually, LttP Snes and GBA combined is over 7.1 million, add in VC sales and its probably a good deal higher, so how did TP destroy it?



 

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Khuutra on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Khuutra said:

I'm sorry, did you forget that Twilight Princess is sitting at like 7.2 million sold? Did that escape you?

There's nothing saying that TP was more expensive, in point of fact!

Phantom Hourglass is going to sell "a little bit more" than LttP. Twilight Princess destroyed it. Twilight Princess is going to sell "a little bit more" than Legend of Zelda.

Actually TP is sitting at 6.94 according to VGC

lol, you're actually going to try and argue that N64 Dev costs were higher than Wii Dev costs?

Actually, LttP Snes and GBA combined is over 7.1 million, add in VC sales and its probably a good deal higher, so how did TP destroy it?

Oh, so we're counting re-releases too! Games that have had fifteen years to sell at reduced profit margins!

You have to be joking



Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Khuutra said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Khuutra said:
Avinash

Twilight Princess outsold Legend of Zelda

On a smaller userbase

Not if you include VC and GBA sales of LOZ 1 with the NES sales

If you includ VC sales, then Ocarina of Time's gap with LOZ is even freaking bigger.


  I already said OoT outsold 2D zelda, but that's the only one, TP hasn't passed LOZ 1, and now that I check even LttP is higher, so my point is, why keep making 3D Zelda when none will ever get to OoT sales?



 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Khuutra said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Khuutra said:

I'm sorry, did you forget that Twilight Princess is sitting at like 7.2 million sold? Did that escape you?

There's nothing saying that TP was more expensive, in point of fact!

Phantom Hourglass is going to sell "a little bit more" than LttP. Twilight Princess destroyed it. Twilight Princess is going to sell "a little bit more" than Legend of Zelda.

Actually TP is sitting at 6.94 according to VGC

lol, you're actually going to try and argue that N64 Dev costs were higher than Wii Dev costs?

Actually, LttP Snes and GBA combined is over 7.1 million, add in VC sales and its probably a good deal higher, so how did TP destroy it?

Oh, so we're counting re-releases too! Games that have had fifteen years to sell at reduced profit margins!

You have to be joking

Is it not a sale?  Does Nintendo not make money on it?  Also the fact that they still sell, shows that people still want 2D



 

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Khuutra on 15 December 2009

Avinash let me level this for you.

Do you think that 2-D is going to kill 3-D for Nintendo?



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Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Khuutra said:
Avinash let me level this for you.

Do you think that 2-D is going to kill 3-D for Nintendo?

Here's what I think is going to happen, if Galaxy 2, Other M and Zelda Wii sales disappoint, then the next row of games will be 2D, if they do as well or better than the 3D games, then yeah I can see Nintendo putting 3D on the backburner, or even abandoning it, at least on certain franchises



 

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The Ghost of RubangB on 15 December 2009

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Khuutra on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Khuutra said:
Avinash let me level this for you.

Do you think that 2-D is going to kill 3-D for Nintendo?

Here's what I think is going to happen, if Galaxy 2, Other M and Zelda Wii sales disappoint, then the next row of games will be 2D, if they do as well or better than the 3D games, then yeah I can see Nintendo putting 3D on the backburner, or even abandoning it, at least on certain franchises

Okay. Now. Do you want to know why that decision isn't feasible, large scale?



Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009

^Yes I want to hear why



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Khuutra on 15 December 2009

I caught it before the edit, Avinash. Very funny, I assure you.

You'll have your answer in a leetle bit.