"Requiring hard numbers to counter a claim that does not involve hard numbers is complete nonsense."

Then you don't know what pushing a system means.

No. You don't understand the job of the person who made the claim you are implicitly defending. If one of the programmers, or anyone who should be expected to have even the most passing understanding of exactly how hard NSMBWii was pushing the system made this comment then we would not be having this conversation. This is a point you continue to evade.

Okay I lied I'm back, I thought of something while me and the wife were watching Miss Congeniality (shut up, Michael Caine is awesome).

Gnizmo, granted that Miyamoto wasn't a programmer here, but doesn't it make sense that he could get that information anytime he wanted? May have even gotten it when being briefed on the idea of online play, when he was deciding not to include it? I do not think assuming that Miyamoto is in the dark is very reasoable.

I would admit this is true. My problem is I just cannot fully grasp how it could eat up so much of the system resources. The reason I am stuck on doubting it is Miyamoto's statements about never wanting to have online. He has more than enough swing to kill a feature with a single word. I am struggling to understand his motivation in trying to find out how hard it would be to implement online.

"If one of the programmers, or anyone who should be expected to have even the most passing understanding of exactly how hard NSMBWii was pushing the system made this comment then we would not be having this conversation."

What makes you think he doesn't know those numbers? You think just because he didn't do any hard coding (and how do we know he didn't) he wasn't given the specs for the game?

Perhaps he might be a boss that doesn't care about those things, but considering he's been involved in that aspect of game development, it's very unlikely he wouldn't care to know them now.

And that does NOT mean the numbers don't matter. You're still evading, and how dare you project that on me. Either present proof or admit you don't have it. I'm not absolving Nintendo of it. I'm just holding you to it as well.

He probably didn't want to find out: it was probably presented to him by the technical team. Or something. I don't know. Coming up with scenarios for it feels dishonest for me, because I'm only making shots in the dark.

I just have trouble disbelieving him out of hand.

Why is it so hard to believe at least the possibility he might be right? He might be lying, but I'm sick of this defacto assumption that any Wii had to have a certain look to be pushing the system.

well i know the nes but i dont know about the snes becaus ei never owned one

We work within the assumptions around which a conversation is based, and dismissing notions gets us nowhere. I believe Miyamoto out of hand but when a person disbelieves or is incredulous we are better served in helping them see ways in which they might get past that incredulity

if there doing it for the traffic why did they pick nintendo? cant they pick other topics to gain traffic? lol