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In continuation of rant towards new Mertoid I expect Malstrom to say: "Told ya", - in regard to the game's sales =)



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http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62924

This was one of my sources I had for iOS increasing in revenue.



Tease.

Soma said:
UncleScrooge said:
Soma said:
UncleScrooge said:
Soma said:
UncleScrooge said:

The 3DS is not going to disrupt 3DTV's, though and I'm gonna stay by this no matter what people say. The 3DS is a gaming device. Nintendo doesn't give a damn about Sony's 3DTV business they just care about Sony's Playstation business because Sony is their biggest competitor. There is no value for Nintendo trying to disrupt 3DTV in general. They are not in the 3DTV business so why should they try to disrupt it? Disrupting 3D gaming makes sense to Nintendo because they are in the gaming business. But Nintendo doesn't care whether people are watching their soaps in 3D or 2D.

The thought of the 3DS disrupting 3DTV in general is just hillarious to be honest... neither is the 3DS going to have a huge movie library (as I said they are trying to get distant customers with it, this is mainly a blue ocean product!) nor will Nintendo put any more effort than neccessary into their 3D movie library. There are also mobile phones with 3D displays already and I'm sure there will be dedicated movie players that can display movies in 3D but not even those will not disrupt 3DTV because a TV does the job of displaying movies at home, often together with your friends. Portable 3D movie players are only an alternative for a very limited amount of people (watching alone, watching on the go, etc).

 

Just to remember, the gaming business universe is a small fraction inside the entertainment business. If Nintendo is fighting disinterst, their battle is not only against Sony, but TV, Music and other things as well.


They are fighting disinterest in gaming. There is absolutely no reason why Nintendo should fight TV, music or books - they could just as well take a horse and a lance and try to fight a wind mill.

I don't even know what to say it's that ridiculous...

I mean... maybe they're also fighting the Blackberry, pancakes and global warming?

 

Lol, that's not my point, and I don't think is ridiculous, I remember Malstrom even Reggie speaking of that. If people are not interested in gaming is cause something else is entertaining them, be it tv, radio, cinema or whatever. Nintendo has to fight for consumers time, not making tv or other product, but making gaming interesting. My point is that they don't have only to make games more interesting than Sony or Microsoft, but as entertainment in general, because at the end of the day games are just entertainment (remember NES meaning?)


I don't know how you got from "fighting disinterest" to "fighting entertainment". They clearly try to fight disinterest in gaming and whenever they said this they added "by making games which entertain customers".

There is a huge difference between "making games that are more interesting than listening to music" and actively trying to battle (or disrupt) other entertainment forms.


"Nintendo has always said that we compete in the entertainment industry so we fight minute by minute for consumers' entertainment time," he said. "This partnership with Netflix will help us get more of that consumers' entertainment time on the Wii console."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2010781559_nintendo_wii_gets_netflix_how.html

 

Reggie talking about Netflix on Wii, and Netflix has nothing to do with gaming.

Well if you are talking about these kinds of things, fair enough. But I thought you were talking about Nintendo actively fighting 3DTV and music (remember we talked about Nintendo disrupting 3DTV in the post you quoted).

Of course they will try to make people use the console more often and get more customers on board. But they surely won't attack TV (how do you want to fight TV? It's impossible. The Wii is only a gaming machine. You need a TV to play it.)



Killiana1a said:
UncleScrooge said:
Smashchu2 said:
UncleScrooge said:
 


this is not how disuption works

The 3DS can't disrupt the 3D TV business because TV's and the 3DS don't compete over the same audience.

I'm going to have to ask that you pull a quote that supports this. I have never heard that mentioned. Remember that products fulfill a job, and anything else that fulfills the job is an alternative. So I'll have to see a quote or I'll haver to call bull.


When I made that post I knew someone was going to get me because of the products doing the same job Of course that explanation wasn't correct so I can't give you a quote for it.

Let me put it this way: The products are not doing the same job. The 3DS was primarily made to play videogames not to watch movies. So the job the 3DS fulfills is still playing games. I stated earlier that the movie player seems to be targeted at distant customers (at least that's the way it looks from what we've seen) and not at people overshot by 3DTV.

I was one of those people who were really on the fence regarding the iPod disrupting Nintendo's handheld market precicely because of this. One product does the job of another one but only as a secondary function (iPod playing games, 3DS playing movies) and both do it in a way that could be described as disruptive.

I've never seen a quote from Christensen that a secondary function of a product that was designed to do a different job disrupted a market it wasn't really in. The 3DS's job is to play games not to watch movies in 3D. If there are indicators that the 3DS could disrupt 3DTV feel free to give me a quote or something. We're all here to learn, I don't mind being proven wrong. If we don't agree I could also shoot a mail to Malstrom.

But I guess you didn't want to tell me it could disrupt 3DTV, you just disliked my (wrong) reasoning, right?

Squilliam answered this quite well in a unique way on page 124 of this thread:

"Cable TV isn't a dedicated sports medium and yet they are the dominant medium for delivering that kind of content. Facebook isn't a dedicated gaming platform at yet it sports the game with a userbase exceeding the Wii. So with iOS devices not being dedicated gaming devices doesn't mean they will also never become an important handheld gaming marketplace." -Squilliam

Yes, the 3DS and 3D TV may not be fulfilling the same function. This is a given. However, we are missing the forest while we are over analyzing the trees like a botanist.

As Sony intends, they want to use 3D television to sell PS3s among other things in their diverse line of products. Nintendo with the 3DS intends to handicap Sony's ability to sell PS3s via 3D televisions. There is no love lost between these two companies, both see each other as their respective main, domestic competitor. As such, the business moves of Sony are faced with asymmetric attempts intended on lowering Sony's bottom line to the point. Nintendo did this with the Wii monopolizing the lower end from the get go leaving a Red Ocean at the upper end between Sony and Microsoft.

Sony's experience with the PS2 coming out just as DVDs were becoming the main vehicle for home video viewing, thought that spending the extra year to add blu ray functionality would immediately blast the PS3 to the top of this generation. Blu ray never did for Sony what DVD did for Sony. Sony with 3D television is once again retreating upmarket in order to monopolize a niche they believe Nintendo cannot disrupt.

Sony is wrong, Nintendo can and intends to disrupt their upmarket via the 3DS selling to the lower market. Once the 3DS comes out, there will be a media fervor asking why a company as small as Nintendo can put out a glassless 3D experience while Sony, toshiba and panasonic are going glassless for 3D tv, is requiring $3000 for a full on 3D experience?

Sony will not answer that question because they will be caught with their pants down or they may mutter "we are working on it, why don't you ask the same question to Toshiba or Panasonic?" Of course, your good journalist will retort, "Well Toshiba and Panasonic are not in the video game business trying to push the sales of their gaming product with their television for a 3D gaming experience. Again, why are you requiring $3000 for a full on 3D experience?"

Sony at this point may walk away from the interview and mutter "fuck you" bombs under it's breath to the journalist.

You skipped the ending:

So the journalist will go to Nintendo and say: "Now that those loathsome glasses have been disrupted, give us an affordable glassesless 3D home TV". And Nintendo will answer "We can't". "You can't"? "No, we don't produce TVs, or displays for what it matters". And the journalist: "So where can we find them"? "You'll have to ask displays and TVs manufacturers, but you'll have to wait some months at best and the first models will be horribly expensive and with very narrow 3D viewing angle, to have affordable models with viewing angles wide enough to be viable 3D family TVs you'll have to wait some years". "So you disrupted glasses but you hadn't ready a better solution for the living room"? And Nintendo:"It's not our problem". And the journalist will walk away muttering "Fuck you, Nintendo".



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UncleScrooge said:
Soma said:
UncleScrooge said:
Soma said:
UncleScrooge said:
Soma said:
UncleScrooge said:

The 3DS is not going to disrupt 3DTV's, though and I'm gonna stay by this no matter what people say. The 3DS is a gaming device. Nintendo doesn't give a damn about Sony's 3DTV business they just care about Sony's Playstation business because Sony is their biggest competitor. There is no value for Nintendo trying to disrupt 3DTV in general. They are not in the 3DTV business so why should they try to disrupt it? Disrupting 3D gaming makes sense to Nintendo because they are in the gaming business. But Nintendo doesn't care whether people are watching their soaps in 3D or 2D.

The thought of the 3DS disrupting 3DTV in general is just hillarious to be honest... neither is the 3DS going to have a huge movie library (as I said they are trying to get distant customers with it, this is mainly a blue ocean product!) nor will Nintendo put any more effort than neccessary into their 3D movie library. There are also mobile phones with 3D displays already and I'm sure there will be dedicated movie players that can display movies in 3D but not even those will not disrupt 3DTV because a TV does the job of displaying movies at home, often together with your friends. Portable 3D movie players are only an alternative for a very limited amount of people (watching alone, watching on the go, etc).

 

Just to remember, the gaming business universe is a small fraction inside the entertainment business. If Nintendo is fighting disinterst, their battle is not only against Sony, but TV, Music and other things as well.


They are fighting disinterest in gaming. There is absolutely no reason why Nintendo should fight TV, music or books - they could just as well take a horse and a lance and try to fight a wind mill.

I don't even know what to say it's that ridiculous...

I mean... maybe they're also fighting the Blackberry, pancakes and global warming?

 

Lol, that's not my point, and I don't think is ridiculous, I remember Malstrom even Reggie speaking of that. If people are not interested in gaming is cause something else is entertaining them, be it tv, radio, cinema or whatever. Nintendo has to fight for consumers time, not making tv or other product, but making gaming interesting. My point is that they don't have only to make games more interesting than Sony or Microsoft, but as entertainment in general, because at the end of the day games are just entertainment (remember NES meaning?)


I don't know how you got from "fighting disinterest" to "fighting entertainment". They clearly try to fight disinterest in gaming and whenever they said this they added "by making games which entertain customers".

There is a huge difference between "making games that are more interesting than listening to music" and actively trying to battle (or disrupt) other entertainment forms.


"Nintendo has always said that we compete in the entertainment industry so we fight minute by minute for consumers' entertainment time," he said. "This partnership with Netflix will help us get more of that consumers' entertainment time on the Wii console."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2010781559_nintendo_wii_gets_netflix_how.html

 

Reggie talking about Netflix on Wii, and Netflix has nothing to do with gaming.

Well if you are talking about these kinds of things, fair enough. But I thought you were talking about Nintendo actively fighting 3DTV and music (remember we talked about Nintendo disrupting 3DTV in the post you quoted).

Of course they will try to make people use the console more often and get more customers on board. But they surely won't attack TV (how do you want to fight TV? It's impossible. The Wii is only a gaming machine. You need a TV to play it.)

 

Oh I see, a misunderstanding then. I was just referring to the Bold of the original post, not gaming business but entertainment business.



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mai said:

In continuation of rant towards new Mertoid I expect Malstrom to say: "Told ya", - in regard to the game's sales =)


Does Malstrom ever reference VGC?  I sort of think he'll wait for NPD's September report before commenting, though only if Other M comes in behind Retroid 3.  He may reference Charttrack's poor showing, but he definitely won't mention the JP trackers/sales...



jarrod said:
mai said:

In continuation of rant towards new Mertoid I expect Malstrom to say: "Told ya", - in regard to the game's sales =)


Does Malstrom ever reference VGC?  I sort of think he'll wait for NPD's September report before commenting, though only if Other M comes in behind Retroid 3.  He may reference Charttrack's poor showing, but he definitely won't mention the JP trackers/sales...


Then you didn't notice that he mentioned Super Mario Galaxy 2 sold better in Japan, but not enough to get the mainstream audience or move systems. He is likely to do that here. And even if does sell on par, since Prime 3 (why that silly nickname?) still did not go mainstream, and still did not give the Wii the hardware boost these kinds of games need, he will still mention it.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
jarrod said:
mai said:

In continuation of rant towards new Mertoid I expect Malstrom to say: "Told ya", - in regard to the game's sales =)


Does Malstrom ever reference VGC?  I sort of think he'll wait for NPD's September report before commenting, though only if Other M comes in behind Retroid 3.  He may reference Charttrack's poor showing, but he definitely won't mention the JP trackers/sales...


Then you didn't notice that he mentioned Super Mario Galaxy 2 sold better in Japan, but not enough to get the mainstream audience or move systems. He is likely to do that here. And even if does sell on par, since Prime 3 (why that silly nickname?) still did not go mainstream, and still did not give the Wii the hardware boost these kinds of games need, he will still mention it.

I didn't notice because I didn't look.  I haven't followed Malstrom since his laughable "McCain upset" prediction.  That's why I asked if he's ever referenced VGC.



jarrod said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jarrod said:
mai said:

In continuation of rant towards new Mertoid I expect Malstrom to say: "Told ya", - in regard to the game's sales =)


Does Malstrom ever reference VGC?  I sort of think he'll wait for NPD's September report before commenting, though only if Other M comes in behind Retroid 3.  He may reference Charttrack's poor showing, but he definitely won't mention the JP trackers/sales...


Then you didn't notice that he mentioned Super Mario Galaxy 2 sold better in Japan, but not enough to get the mainstream audience or move systems. He is likely to do that here. And even if does sell on par, since Prime 3 (why that silly nickname?) still did not go mainstream, and still did not give the Wii the hardware boost these kinds of games need, he will still mention it.

I didn't notice because I didn't look.  I haven't followed Malstrom since his laughable "McCain upset" prediction.  That's why I asked if he's ever referenced VGC.


He explained that. There was a hurricane where he lived (you can look that up), and he didn't have the means to see how the economy was shifting the election in the last days.

Plus you claimed to know some of his postings afterwards (such as the earlier claim he bashed Other M at every opportunity, which any reading his posts shows isn't the case), which means you had to have been making them up, since you don't follow him now.

Okay, you don't like the guy, but lying about what he writes makes you just as bad as you claim he is.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
jarrod said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jarrod said:
mai said:

In continuation of rant towards new Mertoid I expect Malstrom to say: "Told ya", - in regard to the game's sales =)


Does Malstrom ever reference VGC?  I sort of think he'll wait for NPD's September report before commenting, though only if Other M comes in behind Retroid 3.  He may reference Charttrack's poor showing, but he definitely won't mention the JP trackers/sales...


Then you didn't notice that he mentioned Super Mario Galaxy 2 sold better in Japan, but not enough to get the mainstream audience or move systems. He is likely to do that here. And even if does sell on par, since Prime 3 (why that silly nickname?) still did not go mainstream, and still did not give the Wii the hardware boost these kinds of games need, he will still mention it.

I didn't notice because I didn't look.  I haven't followed Malstrom since his laughable "McCain upset" prediction.  That's why I asked if he's ever referenced VGC.


He explained that. There was a hurricane where he lived (you can look that up), and he didn't have the means to see how the economy was shifting the election in the last days.

Plus you claimed to know some of his postings afterwards (such as the earlier claim he bashed Other M at every opportunity, which any reading his posts shows isn't the case), which means you had to have been making them up, since you don't follow him now.

Okay, you don't like the guy, but lying about what he writes makes you just as bad as you claim he is.

I'm not claiming anything of the sort, my response to his Other M trolling was from the reposts here, which seemed frequent, excessive and emotional.

How exactly does a Hurricane explain Obama's win?