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Kasz216 on 12 December 2009
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
FF13 cost rumors are way way over-exaggerated

Are you sure?

GTA4 cost 100 Million.

Which game do you think looks better graphically?

Which game do you think will have more varied graphical assets?

Which game is taking longer produce?

Which game will have a longer story?

Which game will have more voice acting. GTA4

Which game will have more cutscenes? GTA4

 

FF13 in all cases correct?  In what way does FF13 save over GTA4?

Everytime you start a mission there is a cutscene for GTA. Every cut scene has VA and so does people around the city.

Which game will be more linear?

Which game has more alive city?

Which game did research for rain effects?

Which game took hundreds of thousands of pictures in NYC?

Which game is coming off of a franchise with 20 million sellers?

 

1)  Being Linear will be more then offset by the much nicer graphics

2) Likely... neither much.  They'll definitly add a lot more people if they remake it.

3)  Can't see that costing much.

4) Once again... not going to take much money.  Prototype did that as well... Prototype didn't cost nearly as much.

5) This effects cost how?  Other then showing the fact that they could actually afford it more... and STILL lost money on GTA4.  



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Kasz216 on 12 December 2009
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kas - you are way over-estimating graphics. They have the engine already and who says it needs to be up to par with ff13? Give it to the B or C team. Any = type of upgrade to the boxes and diamond shapes would be fine.

Ok, then explain why costs have doubled to tripled this generation.  The great bulk of that is infact graphics.

Take GT5... it takes 6 months of man hours to model 1 car... vs much much less for other GT games.  I believe it was... a month previously?


Ifyou think Disgea tripled in cost you sir are ignorant.

So... your suggesting that the FF7 remake should be FF7 with slightly better colors... and then that's it?

I mean, I love NIS strategy games... but they use PS1 level graphics.

You CAN make a game cheaper... but not one that Final Fantasy fans will accept.

FF7 WILL need to look at good as 13 if not better.



letsdance on 12 December 2009
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
FF13 cost rumors are way way over-exaggerated

Are you sure?

GTA4 cost 100 Million.

Which game do you think looks better graphically?

Which game do you think will have more varied graphical assets?

Which game is taking longer produce?

Which game will have a longer story?

Which game will have more voice acting. GTA4

Which game will have more cutscenes? GTA4

 

FF13 in all cases correct?  In what way does FF13 save over GTA4?

Everytime you start a mission there is a cutscene for GTA. Every cut scene has VA and so does people around the city.

Which game will be more linear?

Which game has more alive city?

Which game did research for rain effects?

Which game took hundreds of thousands of pictures in NYC?

Which game is coming off of a franchise with 20 million sellers?

 

1)  Being Linear will be more then offset by the much nicer graphics

2) Likely... neither much.  They'll definitly add a lot more people if they remake it.

3)  Can't see that costing much.

4) Once again... not going to take much money.  Prototype did that as well... Prototype didn't cost nearly as much.

5) This effects cost how?  Other then showing the fact that they could actually afford it more... and STILL lost money on GTA4.  

Each game has things the other doesnt. To act like FF13 is the only one in this situation to have massive upgrades is just ignorant. It effects it because now TT has a bigger budget on the game then SE has on a game for a 5 million seller game. I dont care if TT blows it on coke, hookers, and bonus that's their finances to keep track of. If they blow it on stupid shit its their own fault.



letsdance on 12 December 2009
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kas - you are way over-estimating graphics. They have the engine already and who says it needs to be up to par with ff13? Give it to the B or C team. Any = type of upgrade to the boxes and diamond shapes would be fine.

Ok, then explain why costs have doubled to tripled this generation.  The great bulk of that is infact graphics.

Take GT5... it takes 6 months of man hours to model 1 car... vs much much less for other GT games.  I believe it was... a month previously?


Ifyou think Disgea tripled in cost you sir are ignorant.

So... your suggesting that the FF7 remake should be FF7 with slightly better colors... and then that's it?

I mean, I love NIS strategy games... but they use PS1 level graphics.

You CAN make a game cheaper... but not one that Final Fantasy fans will accept.

FF7 WILL need to look at good as 13 if not better.


No... FF7 would not need FF13 graphics. You are insane to think that. It just needs to look as good as the average HD game.. if even that.



Kasz216 on 12 December 2009
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
FF13 cost rumors are way way over-exaggerated

Are you sure?

GTA4 cost 100 Million.

Which game do you think looks better graphically?

Which game do you think will have more varied graphical assets?

Which game is taking longer produce?

Which game will have a longer story?

Which game will have more voice acting. GTA4

Which game will have more cutscenes? GTA4

 

FF13 in all cases correct?  In what way does FF13 save over GTA4?

Everytime you start a mission there is a cutscene for GTA. Every cut scene has VA and so does people around the city.

Which game will be more linear?

Which game has more alive city?

Which game did research for rain effects?

Which game took hundreds of thousands of pictures in NYC?

Which game is coming off of a franchise with 20 million sellers?

 

1)  Being Linear will be more then offset by the much nicer graphics

2) Likely... neither much.  They'll definitly add a lot more people if they remake it.

3)  Can't see that costing much.

4) Once again... not going to take much money.  Prototype did that as well... Prototype didn't cost nearly as much.

5) This effects cost how?  Other then showing the fact that they could actually afford it more... and STILL lost money on GTA4.  

Each game has things the other doesnt. To act like FF13 is the only one in this situation to have massive upgrades is just ignorant. It effects it because now TT has a bigger budget on the game then SE has on a game for a 5 million seller game. I dont care if TT blows it on coke, hookers, and bonus that's their finances to keep track of. If they blow it on stupid shit its their own fault.

Take 2 is horrible at it's finances... but if you don't think FF13 cost 50 million+.  I'd say you were crazy... and it very well could of went into the 100 Million range.

 

Budget is irrelevent when you go OVER budget.  Cause it's not like  you can't just finish the game.  Which... FF13 did.  It's had many delays and they've even had to pull other teams off their projects to help FF13. 



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Kasz216 on 12 December 2009
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kas - you are way over-estimating graphics. They have the engine already and who says it needs to be up to par with ff13? Give it to the B or C team. Any = type of upgrade to the boxes and diamond shapes would be fine.

Ok, then explain why costs have doubled to tripled this generation.  The great bulk of that is infact graphics.

Take GT5... it takes 6 months of man hours to model 1 car... vs much much less for other GT games.  I believe it was... a month previously?


Ifyou think Disgea tripled in cost you sir are ignorant.

So... your suggesting that the FF7 remake should be FF7 with slightly better colors... and then that's it?

I mean, I love NIS strategy games... but they use PS1 level graphics.

You CAN make a game cheaper... but not one that Final Fantasy fans will accept.

FF7 WILL need to look at good as 13 if not better.


No... FF7 would not need FF13 graphics. You are insane to think that. It just needs to look as good as the average HD game.. if even that.

That's not what the actual Square developers have been saying.  Everything they've said about FF7 development is they'd want their top team on it and they'd want to "do it right."

Additionally... are you kidding me?  On what system has there ever been a game released, then the remake looked WORSE then the mainline game?

You'd get killed by the critics and fans.

People would be receptive of a FF7 remake that looks like Star Ocean 4?



letsdance on 12 December 2009

Cool, what SE CEO are you? FF games have always had massive budgets. The only way to know their budget is to be i high level manager... which sadly, i dont think you are.



Kasz216 on 12 December 2009
letsdance said:
Cool, what SE CEO are you? FF games have always had massive budgets. The only way to know their budget is to be i high level manager... which sadly, i dont think you are.

What?  That I know the game went overbudget?  Why would i have to be a Square CEO for that?

They missed their release date... for a long time... and pulled other teams off their jobs to work on it.

Any project that misses their original planned release date and pulls other teams off their job to work on it is going overbudget.


Though thanks for making my point.  It had a massive budget... AND went over.  This generation a massive budget is 50+.



letsdance on 12 December 2009
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kas - you are way over-estimating graphics. They have the engine already and who says it needs to be up to par with ff13? Give it to the B or C team. Any = type of upgrade to the boxes and diamond shapes would be fine.

Ok, then explain why costs have doubled to tripled this generation.  The great bulk of that is infact graphics.

Take GT5... it takes 6 months of man hours to model 1 car... vs much much less for other GT games.  I believe it was... a month previously?


Ifyou think Disgea tripled in cost you sir are ignorant.

So... your suggesting that the FF7 remake should be FF7 with slightly better colors... and then that's it?

I mean, I love NIS strategy games... but they use PS1 level graphics.

You CAN make a game cheaper... but not one that Final Fantasy fans will accept.

FF7 WILL need to look at good as 13 if not better.


No... FF7 would not need FF13 graphics. You are insane to think that. It just needs to look as good as the average HD game.. if even that.

That's not what the actual Square developers have been saying.  Everything they've said about FF7 development is they'd want their top team on it and they'd want to "do it right."

Additionally... are you kidding me?  On what system has there ever been a game released, then the remake looked WORSE then the mainline game?

You'd get killed by the critics and fans.

People would be receptive of a FF7 remake that looks like Star Ocean 4?


People would be receptive of a full VA with graphics that don't look like boxes and diamonds FF7 anyday.

From that to that would be a major success any day.



Kennyheart on 12 December 2009
tedsteriscool said:

The demand is there. People have been calling for a remake since they showed the tech demo at E3... They already have the storyline, characters, etc fleshed out so that part of the dev process would be very quick/done immediately. Plus, their "White Engine" is complete. It's basically free money for them!

 

Why do you think they aren't remaking FF VII?

 

They got a lot of other projects and remaking there best selling game will take to much time right now.