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ssj12 on 10 December 2009

ultimate is pointless, you should have bought Professional and been done.



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TWRoO on 10 December 2009
ssj12 said:
ultimate is pointless, you should have bought Professional and been done.

Is there not much difference or something? I only have ultimate, but then I didn't pay full price anyway. (As kowenicki above, free Dell upgrade)

@killergran.... there are lots of nice keyboard shortcuts, I am only learning them myself now... a number of them have been in since XP if not sooner, like control+W closes a window. (or if you have tabbed browsing, ctrl+w will close a single tab, while ctrl+shift+w closes the browser window)

Check this out:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/Keyboard-shortcuts

There are some useful ones in the "general keyboard shortcuts" section (though I would assume you know most of them like) but the best ones are in the "Windows Logo", "Windows Explorer" and "Taskbar" sections.
There are some useful ones in the wordpad section as well (they will work in proper word)



Xoj on 10 December 2009
TWRoO said:
tedsteriscool said:
Taskbar bothers me for chats. It's harder to flick between windows now. Also, I don't notice an improvement performance-wise from Vista (I have Vista on my desktop right now and 7 on my laptop).

Overall, this could have been another service pack. Unnecessary.

6/10 for pure taskbar annoyance.

Depends on your hardware.

Vista running on it's own though used up 1.4 GB of my RAM

Windows 7 used up 800MB

And how can it be harder to flick between windows? Use windows + tab, simple as anything... or for flicking between two open tabs you can use the old function (it's in XP) of alt+tab.
Or you can use the windows key plus various number buttons for programs that ar on your task bar... so for instance windows explorer is the first thing on my taskbar, so windows + 1 opens that, or if I have one open it will bring that window to the front, or if I have multiple windows explorer windows open I can cycle between them by pressing windows + 1 key all the time..... exactly the same thing for other stuff on your taskbar, so right now I have 2 firefox windows open, firefox is the second program on the taskbar so I can go directly to this one using windows + 2.... and to the next one by windows + 2 (twice)
(normally I would only have 1 FF window open though due to tabbed browsing, but the principle applies for all programs.... any that are not already pinned tothe taskbar will use the later numbers... so my taskbar currently has Windows Explorer, Firefox, MSWord and Excel pinned to it, but I have just opened MSN Messenger, which becomes the 5th program so windows + 5 will cycle through my messenger windows.

And I just checked messenger, it does seems to stay open for some reason... I remember before (in XP) it used to bring up a message that the program was still running even when you closed it, so it is probably something to do with that but it is a little irritating.... however there is a quick solution to closing messenger:

hold Windows + alt and press whichever number program it is in the taskbar (for me it is the 5th) then let go of all keys and press up, (which highlights the "close window") then enter.
There might me a setting in messenger that stops it staying open though, i'll check.


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Alternatively tedster... if you unpin all the programs from the taskbar it behaves in exactly the same way as it does in XP. (why you would want that I don't know, but if you prefer it)

are you sure both are 32bit?.

because vista used 800mb (reallly uses 1.2gb because the cached memory) on my pc, 32bit, and my vaio 64bit used 1.4gb.

now,  windows 7 32bit uses 700mb(really uses 1.1gb because the cache memory), vaio 64bit win 7 still around 1.4gb

both usage with cache are about 1.2gb pretty much the same,  just now they added a FREE memory where they don't include the cached memory.

they just changed "FREE" and added a "usable" label.

still its pretty slow on a system without 2gb once u start to open apps.

 



TWRoO on 10 December 2009

Positive both are 64bit.

My RAM usage at the moment is 1.28GB.... that's Windows 7 plus any background stuff that runs (ie stuff that wasn't there when I very first installed W7... I used an upgrade install onto Vista home premium but I hadn't connected it to the internet or installed anything onto Vista before I upgraded) plus firefox with 3 tabs open, plus a word document and an Excel document (and I assume the task manager takes up some RAM too)

I bought this laptop about 2 months ago, and basically didn't use it until I upgraded to Windows 7.

Vista Home Premium the first time I turned it on used up 1.4GB (I can never remember, is it capital B for byte or lower case)
Windows 7 when I first installed it used up 800MB

It's possible some of the discrepancy is DELL functions such as their Dock, which will have been running when I checked Vista, but I think I had uninstalled it when I checked Windows 7... but would the Dell Dock really take up that much space?



Xoj on 10 December 2009
TWRoO said:
Positive both are 64bit.

My RAM usage at the moment is 1.28GB.... that's Windows 7 plus any background stuff that runs (ie stuff that wasn't there when I very first installed W7... I used an upgrade install onto Vista home premium but I hadn't connected it to the internet or installed anything onto Vista before I upgraded) plus firefox with 3 tabs open, plus a word document and an Excel document (and I assume the task manager takes up some RAM too)

I bought this laptop about 2 months ago, and basically didn't use it until I upgraded to Windows 7.

Vista Home Premium the first time I turned it on used up 1.4GB (I can never remember, is it capital B for byte or lower case)
Windows 7 when I first installed it used up 800MB

It's possible some of the discrepancy is DELL functions such as their Dock, which will have been running when I checked Vista, but I think I had uninstalled it when I checked Windows 7... but would the Dell Dock really take up that much space?

its normal  to use 1.2gb-1.4gb

W7 64bit never go below that,  800mb it's usable without cached memory.

vista on boot could go as low as 800mb without cached memory but in vista, it didn't separte cached memory, so free and usable are two different things so it really was 1.1gb-

on a 1g system vista used 700mb it showed 23-100mb free becauase 200mb were cached.

now windows 7 reports free 300mb, out 1gb but really it's using almost all, with the cached memory.

still is  outrageous amount of memory, linux and mac do everything and all the fancy animations, and instant searched with spotlight and beagle, and they use 400mb at most on boot.

 

 

 



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1337 Gamer on 10 December 2009

I LOVE the taskbar! its looks so much prettier and its alot more functional. Also i love Libraries search and meta folders. Overall a Great OS! 9/10 easy



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TWRoO on 10 December 2009
Xoj said:
TWRoO said:
Positive both are 64bit.

My RAM usage at the moment is 1.28GB.... that's Windows 7 plus any background stuff that runs (ie stuff that wasn't there when I very first installed W7... I used an upgrade install onto Vista home premium but I hadn't connected it to the internet or installed anything onto Vista before I upgraded) plus firefox with 3 tabs open, plus a word document and an Excel document (and I assume the task manager takes up some RAM too)

I bought this laptop about 2 months ago, and basically didn't use it until I upgraded to Windows 7.

Vista Home Premium the first time I turned it on used up 1.4GB (I can never remember, is it capital B for byte or lower case)
Windows 7 when I first installed it used up 800MB

It's possible some of the discrepancy is DELL functions such as their Dock, which will have been running when I checked Vista, but I think I had uninstalled it when I checked Windows 7... but would the Dell Dock really take up that much space?

its normal  to use 1.2gb-1.4gb

W7 64bit never go below that,  800mb it's usable without cached memory.

vista on boot could go as low as 800mb without cached memory but in vista, it didn't separte cached memory, so free and usable are two different things so it really was 1.1gb-

on a 1g system vista used 700mb it showed 23-100mb free becauase 200mb were cached.

now windows 7 reports free 300mb, out 1gb but really it's using almost all, with the cached memory.

still is  outrageous amount of memory, linux and mac do everything and all the fancy animations, and instant searched with spotlight and beagle, and they use 400mb at most on boot.

Well i'm no expert... but something is definately running better for W7 than Vista when I can get 3+ hours battery life on the same laptop as my friend running Vista who gets an hour tops.

I have the resource monitor open now:
Hardware reserved: 40MB
In Use: 1188MB
Modified: 89MB (what's modified?)
Standby: 911MB
Free: 1868MB

And according to the list above, Firefox is using ~130MB (I think the "Working Set" is the right number to look at yes?) And the perfomance monitor is using ~26MB

Edit- The Standby + Modified seem to equate to Cached memory... when I quit Firefox the "In Use" decreases to about 1060MB, but the cached went up slightly (by about 15-20MB) I presume this is because it is caching stuff in case I re-open Firefox again before I shut down (or within some period of time) At least that is my guess on what cached memory is.



Siko1989 on 10 December 2009

i wont update my pc anytime soon, i prefer to stick with windows 2000 because i want to play classic pc games without any troubles




darklich13 on 11 December 2009
tedsteriscool said:
Taskbar bothers me for chats. It's harder to flick between windows now. Also, I don't notice an improvement performance-wise from Vista (I have Vista on my desktop right now and 7 on my laptop).

Overall, this could have been another service pack. Unnecessary.

6/10 for pure taskbar annoyance.

If you don't like the taskbar change it back to the old one.

Overall, I give Win7 a 10/10.  The best version of Windows yet.  Although getting Win7 for free from Microsoft through their e-academy program might have perswaded my score.  



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Xoj on 11 December 2009
darklich13 said:
tedsteriscool said:
Taskbar bothers me for chats. It's harder to flick between windows now. Also, I don't notice an improvement performance-wise from Vista (I have Vista on my desktop right now and 7 on my laptop).

Overall, this could have been another service pack. Unnecessary.

6/10 for pure taskbar annoyance.

If you don't like the taskbar change it back to the old one.

Overall, I give Win7 a 10/10.  The best version of Windows yet.  Although getting Win7 for free from Microsoft through their e-academy program might have perswaded my score.  

i got it free too, msdn alliance,  i will wouln't rate over 6/10 , ram usage too high. while old game got a boost, new ones can't be even slower than vista.

it require 2gb and still have some incosistencies, with the UI.