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Bobbuffalo said:
scruffybunny said:
Those that agree with Malstorm's points should never ever read a game review again, ever. Those that disagree can find something less infuriating as a pass time.


I stopped reading videogame magazines and reviews way before reading malstrom's articles.

They were too pathetic to read. It was like listening to 20 clones of the Comic Book Guy from The simpsons with lots of homphobic jokes and Nintendo insults.Not to mention they started to use the terms "Hardcore" and "Casual" as we know them nowadays.There are many reasons to despise them.

He's the only person in the mental asylum that is the game industry that makes sense.

People don't like the way he writes? oh boo hoo.

He is right. I know it. You know it. Who cares if he doesn't uses flowers and candies to talk.And yes there are things that I don't agree with him fully but when is about the pathetic game industry and their croonies (game reviewers, analysts, god-like cry-babies developers) he's 100% right.

This generation of gaming has showed how screwed gaming has become. Is good to hear somebody to have his feet on the ground. And I don't give a damn if he talks pretty or not.Focus on the message, not the messenger.

Maelstrom isn't a member of the industry.

He's some dude that rants on a blog and somehow managed to garner a following through it ( which isn't surprising, history is full of madmen that managed to garner followers).



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mirgro said:
cAPSLOCK said:

As if there was any question before this article that game journalism was a pathetic joke and review scores were bought and sold.

I remember back in the mid 1990s when 80% game score meant that the game was GOOD, and 90% or above meant it was a classic. Now we have like 10 all-time classic games a month according to review scores.

 

The media industry term for this is "payola" and it's seen as scandalous.

I agree with this. I remember when things got rated down heavily because they were just another "DOOM clone" or "Diablo clones" or "XXXXXX clone." Now it seems that you can release nearly the same game on the same engine with the same gameplay with a handful of new additions and still get perfect scores, when back in the day it would have been an automatic 7 and THEN they start taking off points for actual flaws.

Haha holy crap I was actually going to come back and post this exact thing! Remember when 70-79 meant it was a great game if you're a fan of that genre and 80s meant you had to innovate in that genre? 90+ was almost unheard of.  I hate to pick on MW2 because I haven't played it, but from everything I'm hearing the best score it would have gotten would have been a 79 back in those days.

I mean even looking back at PS1 scores, Silent Hill got a 86 overall score in 1999.

Here's a SH review blurb:

"No game will freak you as much as this game, and I truly believe you will enjoy it no matter what genre you're into most. If you don't have this game, buy it, and while you're there, pick up a set of briefs. You'll need em'!!"

Score: 80

Read that sentence and score again, and tell me what it would have gotten with that kind of reception today.

 



Ail said:
Bobbuffalo said:
scruffybunny said:
Those that agree with Malstorm's points should never ever read a game review again, ever. Those that disagree can find something less infuriating as a pass time.


I stopped reading videogame magazines and reviews way before reading malstrom's articles.

They were too pathetic to read. It was like listening to 20 clones of the Comic Book Guy from The simpsons with lots of homphobic jokes and Nintendo insults.Not to mention they started to use the terms "Hardcore" and "Casual" as we know them nowadays.There are many reasons to despise them.

He's the only person in the mental asylum that is the game industry that makes sense.

People don't like the way he writes? oh boo hoo.

He is right. I know it. You know it. Who cares if he doesn't uses flowers and candies to talk.And yes there are things that I don't agree with him fully but when is about the pathetic game industry and their croonies (game reviewers, analysts, god-like cry-babies developers) he's 100% right.

This generation of gaming has showed how screwed gaming has become. Is good to hear somebody to have his feet on the ground. And I don't give a damn if he talks pretty or not.Focus on the message, not the messenger.

Maelstrom isn't a member of the industry.

He's some dude that rants on a blog and somehow managed to garner a following through it ( which isn't surprising, history is full of madmen that managed to garner followers).

Actually he garnered a following from his articles which have been consistently right on the industry and gaming.

Calling him a madman doesn't change the fact that he's been more right than any analyst in the market this gen



 

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Just my 2 cents. on the nature of this article & posting.

First developers likely don't like the idea. They want it to be done, but there is a lot of stress on a reviewer potentialy lambasting their game. Even a shovel ware game that get's ridiculed actually takes serious sweat. Ask any artist, programmer, marketing, producer about their work on Price is Right 2 or Ninja Bread man 28. Regular schedule, difficult work. So when you get a reviewer coming in to take an early look. Who potentially will impact your games sales. Well it can be stressful.

As for the writers side. To be fair, yes it is very posh to have an all expenses paid trip. Being treated like royalty. Of course they are. The company is trying to buy favour. Then again trips across country are stressful. Given some luxery will put them in a good mood and more receptive to give favour.

Having said that. Yes the corruption is in there. It's just not so shallow. it goes Write(:P) down to the core. If you site/mag... get's paid heavy Ubisoft ads/sponsorship. Then the company is likely to hire someone who is favourable to Ubisoft like games. So when the Ubisoft fan/writer get's a posh trip to their office to try a certain game. They are inclined to think more positively because they were hired to be predisposed. So what's happening is that reviewers aren't being hired for their unbiased journalism. They are being hired for their biased opinions that will back the sales to see more profits. So writers do require good literacy skills and able to express their opinions well, but theres no way around it. They are just a cog in the machine.

 

Ail Posted

"Maelstrom isn't a member of the industry.

He's some dude that rants on a blog and somehow managed to garner a following through it ( which isn't surprising, history is full of madmen that managed to garner followers)."

Actually Maelstrom is part of the industry. Just like you and me though. The industry is based on production to consumer. So there is the production side of the industry and a consumer side of the industry. Much like Yin and Yang. If there is no producer then the consumers can't buy and thus there is no industry. If there is no consumer then there are no purchases and thus there is no industry. Maelstrom isn't part of production side of the industry.  Also business analysys does not require an individual in the industry. Is Maelstrom good and business analysys. It's questionable. Though his BOS associations fair better. His rants are typiclly tripe. So to say a consumer is not part of industry is incorrect. But I suspect you were talking about being on the production side, but I thought it might be important for readers to consider the situation a little more deeply.

 



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

cAPSLOCK said:
mirgro said:
cAPSLOCK said:

As if there was any question before this article that game journalism was a pathetic joke and review scores were bought and sold.

I remember back in the mid 1990s when 80% game score meant that the game was GOOD, and 90% or above meant it was a classic. Now we have like 10 all-time classic games a month according to review scores.

 

The media industry term for this is "payola" and it's seen as scandalous.

I agree with this. I remember when things got rated down heavily because they were just another "DOOM clone" or "Diablo clones" or "XXXXXX clone." Now it seems that you can release nearly the same game on the same engine with the same gameplay with a handful of new additions and still get perfect scores, when back in the day it would have been an automatic 7 and THEN they start taking off points for actual flaws.

Haha holy crap I was actually going to come back and post this exact thing! Remember when 70-79 meant it was a great game if you're a fan of that genre and 80s meant you had to innovate in that genre? 90+ was almost unheard of.  I hate to pick on MW2 because I haven't played it, but from everything I'm hearing the best score it would have gotten would have been a 79 back in those days.

I mean even looking back at PS1 scores, Silent Hill got a 86 overall score in 1999.

Here's a SH review blurb:

"No game will freak you as much as this game, and I truly believe you will enjoy it no matter what genre you're into most. If you don't have this game, buy it, and while you're there, pick up a set of briefs. You'll need em'!!"

Score: 80

Read that sentence and score again, and tell me what it would have gotten with that kind of reception today.

 

Damn thats exactly what i thought, i remember when i used to buy gaming mags and skim reviews except for the ones with 75+.

Now i can't trust any review, even games that get 10/10 usually aren't that great.

 



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vanatos said:
cAPSLOCK said:
mirgro said:
cAPSLOCK said:

As if there was any question before this article that game journalism was a pathetic joke and review scores were bought and sold.

I remember back in the mid 1990s when 80% game score meant that the game was GOOD, and 90% or above meant it was a classic. Now we have like 10 all-time classic games a month according to review scores.

 

The media industry term for this is "payola" and it's seen as scandalous.

I agree with this. I remember when things got rated down heavily because they were just another "DOOM clone" or "Diablo clones" or "XXXXXX clone." Now it seems that you can release nearly the same game on the same engine with the same gameplay with a handful of new additions and still get perfect scores, when back in the day it would have been an automatic 7 and THEN they start taking off points for actual flaws.

Haha holy crap I was actually going to come back and post this exact thing! Remember when 70-79 meant it was a great game if you're a fan of that genre and 80s meant you had to innovate in that genre? 90+ was almost unheard of.  I hate to pick on MW2 because I haven't played it, but from everything I'm hearing the best score it would have gotten would have been a 79 back in those days.

I mean even looking back at PS1 scores, Silent Hill got a 86 overall score in 1999.

Here's a SH review blurb:

"No game will freak you as much as this game, and I truly believe you will enjoy it no matter what genre you're into most. If you don't have this game, buy it, and while you're there, pick up a set of briefs. You'll need em'!!"

Score: 80

Read that sentence and score again, and tell me what it would have gotten with that kind of reception today.

 

Damn thats exactly what i thought, i remember when i used to buy gaming mags and skim reviews except for the ones with 75+.

Now i can't trust any review, even games that get 10/10 usually aren't that great.

 

I looked at 70+ cause some games were just damn...



LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
As usual. Malstrom has one or more good points, then he floods everything sensible he could say with insane amounts of raving and, lately, whining too.
Sorry if somebody else already wrote it, but he too has a not so well hidden agenda, he's crying, thumping his feets and holding his breath until he becomes blue because MW2 launch was bigger than NSMBW one.

And you blew your decent critique of him with your own strawman. He's made it clear for a while that those games are frontloaded. It's long term sales that he discussed. Plus Nintendo didn't blow $150-$200 million to market NSMBWii.

As in I agree he has an agenda, you just got it completely wrong.

I can admit without problem that I,'m just a little bit biased against Malstrom.

About his agenda, I oversimplified: he's so infatuated of his own theories that each time PS3 or XB360 look like they're reacting well to Wii disruption, he gets bonkers and he tries to bend facts to show he's right, and it's the world that's actually going wrong (just like, regarding another one of his theories, when he repeated ad nauseam that cutting price was a wrong move for Nintendo, but actually it worked quite well, even before big games launches, BF and Xmas approaching made Wii do even biggere leaps). And I realize just now, and just as I phrased the thing this way, that he's becoming worrying. In a psychiatric sense.



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.jayderyu said:

Just my 2 cents. on the nature of this article & posting.

First developers likely don't like the idea. They want it to be done, but there is a lot of stress on a reviewer potentialy lambasting their game. Even a shovel ware game that get's ridiculed actually takes serious sweat. Ask any artist, programmer, marketing, producer about their work on Price is Right 2 or Ninja Bread man 28. Regular schedule, difficult work. So when you get a reviewer coming in to take an early look. Who potentially will impact your games sales. Well it can be stressful.

As for the writers side. To be fair, yes it is very posh to have an all expenses paid trip. Being treated like royalty. Of course they are. The company is trying to buy favour. Then again trips across country are stressful. Given some luxery will put them in a good mood and more receptive to give favour.

Having said that. Yes the corruption is in there. It's just not so shallow. it goes Write(:P) down to the core. If you site/mag... get's paid heavy Ubisoft ads/sponsorship. Then the company is likely to hire someone who is favourable to Ubisoft like games. So when the Ubisoft fan/writer get's a posh trip to their office to try a certain game. They are inclined to think more positively because they were hired to be predisposed. So what's happening is that reviewers aren't being hired for their unbiased journalism. They are being hired for their biased opinions that will back the sales to see more profits. So writers do require good literacy skills and able to express their opinions well, but theres no way around it. They are just a cog in the machine.

 

Ail Posted

"Maelstrom isn't a member of the industry.

He's some dude that rants on a blog and somehow managed to garner a following through it ( which isn't surprising, history is full of madmen that managed to garner followers)."

Actually Maelstrom is part of the industry. Just like you and me though. The industry is based on production to consumer. So there is the production side of the industry and a consumer side of the industry. Much like Yin and Yang. If there is no producer then the consumers can't buy and thus there is no industry. If there is no consumer then there are no purchases and thus there is no industry. Maelstrom isn't part of production side of the industry.  Also business analysys does not require an individual in the industry. Is Maelstrom good and business analysys. It's questionable. Though his BOS associations fair better. His rants are typiclly tripe. So to say a consumer is not part of industry is incorrect. But I suspect you were talking about being on the production side, but I thought it might be important for readers to consider the situation a little more deeply.

 

 

Last I checked to be considered part of an industry you had to generate some kind of revenue or be a paid member of said industry.

 

 

That or I could just make a blog somewhere and claim I am part of the NFL( i watch games on Sunday !), the Space Industry( i watch the shuttle launch !), the Auto industry( i have a car !) and so on......

This is not how it works........



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

You're not part of the industry simply from being a consumer. I'm not part of the movie industry, music industry, car industry or the meat packing industry just because I make use of their product. That's almost like claiming I'm a part of Microsoft because I use Windows on my PC.
We are part of the market but not the industry and that's a major difference.
All (or almost all) products go;

Manufacture - freight/distribution - retail/outlet - end user

The industry in most given examples are only involved on the first or first and second part of this process, after that the goods have reached the market and a new venue entirely before it ever reaches us. If the system was made up such that we could order everything directly from and do commerce with the industries, our entire economy and monetary system would be radically different, removing all the links between (except freight in most cases though). Management and distribution is divided into several smaller outlets for a reason (imagine Nintendo shipping all their Wii's directly to end users without stores or handlers in between for instance, the micromanagement levels would be staggering and impossible to mount for nearly any industry).



ZOMFG! They banned the sheepman just before sales data for NSMBW Japan release week are published! How cruel!!!   
Who'll be Malstrom's plenipotentiary when he's most needed? 



Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW!