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BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

This.
In reality (not in the minds of kids who grew up with Playstation), Sony is a declining brand.
Your right BoneyBoy, truth hurts.

Post. Of. The. Year.



     

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Smashed said:
Neoraf said:
BoneyBoy said:
ultraslick said:
@OP
you asked and answered your own question.

Also, Sony typically tries to be at or close to the cutting edge of technology with all of their new products. It is what makes Sony the unique brand that it is.

HUH???!!!! Sony hasn't been on the cutting edge of ANY technology since Walkman.

In fact, Sony is an also-ran in almost every product division.

Samsung is a better innovator in phones and TVs

Apple is a better innovator in music players and phones

Toshiba and Acer are better innovators in laptops

The list goes on and on....sony is no longer a leader.  They have been reduced to a follower that releases more expensive products than its competition.

Blu-ray added no innovation - HD-DVD did the exact same thing blu-ray could for cheaper.

The only thing HD-DVD lacked was 600 million $$ dollars in bribe money to buy off Warner Bros and Fox

http://gizmodo.com/344680/the-real-reason-warner-went-blu+ray

 

 

Nail. On. The. Head.

Excellent post.

Seeing your post history, and how anti-sony you are, Neoraf.

I. Am. Not. Surprised. You. Would. Agree. With. That. Bias. Post.

If you actually think that's an excellent post, their is something wrong with you.

Yup.



Neoraf said:
BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

This.
In reality (not in the minds of kids who grew up with Playstation), Sony is a declining brand.
Your right BoneyBoy, truth hurts.

Post. Of. The. Year.

Thats a little condescending. I have multiple reasons why i love my PS3 after owning a 360 for 2 years. I wont get into a pissing match with you but blanket statements are never good and show a lack of reason or logic involved in healthy debate speaking so matter of factly. But carry on with your crusade.



Neoraf said:
BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

This.
In reality (not in the minds of kids who grew up with Playstation), Sony is a declining brand.
Your right BoneyBoy, truth hurts.

Post. Of. The. Year.

Post of the year?

It helps you sleep at night so much?

Good. Luck. With. Your. Life.



Sony learned the wrong lessons from the PS2, and decided to have the PS3 follow it. They assumed that storage format + complicated processor = success. They then threw in the price being way off the hook, and though that "Playstation" name is what matter more than anything else.

Sony learning from what made the original Playstation system a success would help them a lot.



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The simple answer is because they were sure it was the right thing to do.

The slightly more complex answer is that:

they decided to build their own architecture rather than leverage more standard architectures, and as a result arguably immediately raised development and production costs, as well as ensuring something trickier for developers to use - something MS to an extent piggy backed, so it is worth noting before overly slamming Sony decision here that the research also paved the way for 360 architecture.

they decided to include BR. I understand why, and as I only wanted an HD console with HD physical media playback for me it was the right choice, but for the majority this wasn't the case at launch and clearly the BR inclusion massively raised the costs plus the launch price

they went for prestige, with a powerful console that was quieter and more reliable, but again this raised costs which inevitably got passed into the price

Of these and many other decisions were clearly made with the confidence of a long run of market dominance behind them, and a lot of confidence that Nintendo weren't a concern while MS were more of a threat and their focus on high end graphics and online for Western audiences had to be countered.

No big company wants to make bad or poor decisions, and hindsight is as they say cheap. They made their choices, I don't think any were bad choices as such, but they simply didn't land well with the market at that time, nor with how their competitors had responded, Nintendo with something disruptive, and MS with a fast launch and push to get a relatively comparable console to market first and at a lower price.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

1:They are stupid.



 

 

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BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Your post contradicts itself in a lot of places.

First you use market share as a way to say sony doesn't have anything "cutting edge". Although less market share is usually a result of price which is a result of having "cutting edge" technology inside it.

And then you complain about the ps2 being less powerful than the xbox but if we go by your earlier argument it has more market share so it's actually better than the xbox right?

And sony fell to 5th place because of the global economy. People don't have the money to spend on anything "cutting edge" so they buy the cheaper stuff that does the bare minimum.

And if sony didn't use cutting edge technology we would see something similar to the wii. Where it was priced cheap from the start and they never would have had to sell it at a loss.

EDIT: look up "squaretrade reliability" and have a look at how acer are the second worst for failing but since they are second biggest they are obviously the second best. Also hp are the biggest and worst percent for failing. But being the biggest they are obviously the best according to you.



Why did Sony do what?!. making so many systems?! and making too many games?!... I dont get it??



Reasonable said:
The simple answer is because they were sure it was the right thing to do.

The slightly more complex answer is that:

they decided to build their own architecture rather than leverage more standard architectures, and as a result arguably immediately raised development and production costs, as well as ensuring something trickier for developers to use - something MS to an extent piggy backed, so it is worth noting before overly slamming Sony decision here that the research also paved the way for 360 architecture.

they decided to include BR. I understand why, and as I only wanted an HD console with HD physical media playback for me it was the right choice, but for the majority this wasn't the case at launch and clearly the BR inclusion massively raised the costs plus the launch price

they went for prestige, with a powerful console that was quieter and more reliable, but again this raised costs which inevitably got passed into the price

Of these and many other decisions were clearly made with the confidence of a long run of market dominance behind them, and a lot of confidence that Nintendo weren't a concern while MS were more of a threat and their focus on high end graphics and online for Western audiences had to be countered.

No big company wants to make bad or poor decisions, and hindsight is as they say cheap. They made their choices, I don't think any were bad choices as such, but they simply didn't land well with the market at that time, nor with how their competitors had responded, Nintendo with something disruptive, and MS with a fast launch and push to get a relatively comparable console to market first and at a lower price.

 

Wow im glad you wrote this, thats exactly what I wanted to say.