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dampowell said:
tuscaniman said:
dampowell said:
Personally, I believe the people who think Natal are going to be a huge success, are the same people that conveniently forgot that Microsoft created windows xp and vista, before they came onto windows 7. When have microsoft ever gotten it right the first time?

Have  you conveniently forgotten that windows has 93% market share? Natal may or may not be a huge success but Microsoft will try. I think Natal (which hopefully won't be called Natal when it comes out) will be a success. How big? We shall see.

On the other hand next gen we will see a mild jump in graphics in Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo will make the jump to HD as well and it will probably be equal to this gen's HD console specs. Next gen will be a software focused gen so its a toss-up on who will win. Microsoft and Sony will definately target the casual audience as well as the hardcore so Nintendo will have a fight on their hands.

 

Does marketshare automatically mean they have a great product? The day apple decides they dont want to also make money off the hardware is the day Microsoft loses 50% of that marketshare. The day you get a Dell or HP or Sony Vaio with Apple OS XI as an installation option kiss marketshare goodbye. Apple likes to make money off every single piece of product in their pipeline, that is why they make approximately 40% of every Iphone sold, with similar margins on their computer line. It is not because Microsoft has a great product why they have marketshare in the PC buisness, It is because Apple cares enough to have some form of quality control of Hardware


It's not that sony didnt want to make profit....it's that they saw and still see a winner w/ the blu-ray brand, that they can make a large amount of $$$ b/c the movie market is huge, and the demand for the blu-ray games will be huge as well.  So, Sony saw that HDTV players would just be a few hundred while its Blu-ray players would be $400 for a while.....Sony decided to sacrifice the PS3's profits for a few years so that it would win the format war for Sony.  The fact that Sony is getting its various divisions to do something that they haven't done for quite a while, to work together, is a big strength because this will help the company make more profit.    In terms of your post, you sound like you are comparing apple and Sony's profits, market success, etc.  Well, made a premium product that imediately sold well because there wasn't anything else like it.  Sony made a premium product that didnt sell well at first because it had to jack up the price, which it would not have had to do if the blu-ray drive was just a dvd drive.  So, you really can't compare the two companies...



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I only hope Nintendo won't be retarded on hardware as usual -_-



Ninty will probably do the same thing that they did this gen.....build a cheap console with their award winning motion control, throw in a lot of casuals and mario. Motion control games are usually more casual so I expect ninty to have another casual oriented kind of console.



Seece said:
Nobody should be under any illusions, any of the big 3 could be number one next gen.

Yes, as always, there's that "anything is possible."

However, I think it's pretty clear Nintendo's chances are higher than that of its current competitors.


As for competition in hardware leading to better games, I disagree. The Playstation dominated gens weren't exactly poor, if one favors the 16-bit era it's likely due to the type of games (2D) rather than the quality. Besides, many of the great SNES titles had nothing to do with competition with Sega, seeing as how the Genesis / Mega Drive was irrelevant in Japan.

Really, though, why do we want 3 consoles tied in the race? It means we need to buy hardware for all 3 to get the games we want (controllers included), and worst of all, the online is segregated for multiplat titles. Nothing sucks more than having to choose between which half of my friends I want to be able to play Modern Warfare with...

It's fine (or preferable, even) if a console holds 70% of the market share. It just means the competition is in the software. It'd be awesome if I had more money to spend on great games, instead of more controllers...



The biggest questions that I have are:

-I assume that the next Xbox will have Blu-ray but will the next Wii? This will make for a more expensive consle somewhat
-Will Natal have bombed yet? I assume so
-Will Sony have BC for the PS3???? If so they will be able to sell a bit more and we just dont know this yet, because Sony looks like it's getting away from the whole Cell thing and there might be some problems with the BC but hopefully sony will see this problem in advance and prepare for it.
-What will MS do to differentiate itself? MS is really the most dynamic company out of all of em imho, they have the most money and make the biggest events out of nothing. They can have a price cut on a dime if the others cut. I'm also expecting some exiting moves from MS but my head says that they won't dominate to the same degree as they did, will most likely get 3rd place for the next gen



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burgerstein said:
I have three problems with this. One, 48% (49% if you round properly), 29% and 23% is nothing like a tie. Two, it's not getting smaller every week, just a few weeks ago Wii gained marketshare. And three, I can't remember when PS1 or PS2 had 80% marketshare.

Anyway, I think it's a little early to be predicting next gen.

This will do as a response. I'm not exactly sure how "48 v 29" or "48 v 23" is a tie in any form. Rather than the Wii marketshare dropping, the PS3 is slowly eating away some of the 360 share. The Wii has been sitting just under 50% for 2 years now.

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Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if there is no PS4 released.



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nah i think the Apple Pippin 2 Might destroy Wii 2 Xbox362 and PS4 all combined



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Actually Next gen will probably have a much bigger divide between the companies, Sony is still losing money, and probably will for quite some time, their projections for getting back to profitability are too rosy and too dependent on technology unlikely to be a success in the short term, so by next gen, they'll be on the brink of financial collapse. I could see the PS4 pulling a Dreamcast.

MS will have more success, but they are likely to remain a distant second place next gen partly due to their Japanese weakness.

In addition the disruptive trends set in motion this gen by Nintendo will have likely run further by then, EA, THQ and a few other big publishers will likely be gone



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

supercat said:

No, the OP is entirely correct. For the next gen, the 720/PS4 will both have Blu-ray drives so they will both have the same stuff and therefore most of the same advantages and disadvantages. The next wii will have less of an advantage because the other two will have had time to prepare for a console that can compete against it.

Also, a lot of the analysts have said that the next gen will be closer anyway, so i'm going with them.

Yes, after all the analysts were completely right about this gen /sarcasm



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
supercat said:

No, the OP is entirely correct. For the next gen, the 720/PS4 will both have Blu-ray drives so they will both have the same stuff and therefore most of the same advantages and disadvantages. The next wii will have less of an advantage because the other two will have had time to prepare for a console that can compete against it.

Also, a lot of the analysts have said that the next gen will be closer anyway, so i'm going with them.

Yes, after all the analysts were completely right about this gen /sarcasm


 As if some random person on a forum would be better.  I mean people around here support the console that they own, end of story so their opinions aren't backed up by logic and reason most of the time.