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badgenome on 02 December 2009
numonex said:

Obama sends 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan bringing it a total of 100,000. How many of these will be killed? More men being sent to their deaths.

The US troops should have never ever entered either Afghanistan or Iraq. Both wars are an illegal invasion and a direct war on Islam.

The wars on Afghanistan and Iraq is a war against Islam. The war on terrorism is a load of BS. I never ever bought that George W. Bush line.

Invading Iraq and Afghanistan killing millions of innocent people. America is the real terrorist here. 6000 US troops dead and counting in the Middle East. They all died in vain to support the US Imperialism.

The war on terror is all about securing endless oil supplies, so the US oil companies can make their billions of profit.

How many must die for Middle East oil? It is Blood for oil.

After all that blood, where's my fucking oil?



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Kasz216 on 02 December 2009
stof said:
That war was lost the moment the Iraq war began. Biggest f'ing shame of our generation.

Nah, the war in Afghanistan was lost before it began.

Due to Pakistan, and the fact that we had to deal with warlords to even get anything done.

 



Kasz216 on 02 December 2009
badgenome said:
numonex said:

Obama sends 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan bringing it a total of 100,000. How many of these will be killed? More men being sent to their deaths.

The US troops should have never ever entered either Afghanistan or Iraq. Both wars are an illegal invasion and a direct war on Islam.

The wars on Afghanistan and Iraq is a war against Islam. The war on terrorism is a load of BS. I never ever bought that George W. Bush line.

Invading Iraq and Afghanistan killing millions of innocent people. America is the real terrorist here. 6000 US troops dead and counting in the Middle East. They all died in vain to support the US Imperialism.

The war on terror is all about securing endless oil supplies, so the US oil companies can make their billions of profit.

How many must die for Middle East oil? It is Blood for oil.

After all that blood, where's my fucking oil?

That's the funny thing... Afghanistan doesn't even have any oil.



famousringo on 02 December 2009
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
numonex said:

Obama sends 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan bringing it a total of 100,000. How many of these will be killed? More men being sent to their deaths.

The US troops should have never ever entered either Afghanistan or Iraq. Both wars are an illegal invasion and a direct war on Islam.

The wars on Afghanistan and Iraq is a war against Islam. The war on terrorism is a load of BS. I never ever bought that George W. Bush line.

Invading Iraq and Afghanistan killing millions of innocent people. America is the real terrorist here. 6000 US troops dead and counting in the Middle East. They all died in vain to support the US Imperialism.

The war on terror is all about securing endless oil supplies, so the US oil companies can make their billions of profit.

How many must die for Middle East oil? It is Blood for oil.

After all that blood, where's my fucking oil?

That's the funny thing... Afghanistan doesn't even have any oil.

As I understand it, it would be a great place to run a pipeline through... if it were stable.

But I agree that energy isn't a substantial reason for the invasion of Afghanistan.



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Rath on 02 December 2009
numonex said:

Obama sends 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan bringing it a total of 100,000. How many of these will be killed? More men being sent to their deaths.

The US troops should have never ever entered either Afghanistan or Iraq. Both wars are an illegal invasion and a direct war on Islam.

Technically, Afghanistan is an entirely legal war.

The wars on Afghanistan and Iraq is a war against Islam. The war on terrorism is a load of BS. I never ever bought that George W. Bush line.

Invading Iraq and Afghanistan killing millions of innocent people. America is the real terrorist here. 6000 US troops dead and counting in the Middle East. They all died in vain to support the US Imperialism.

Much less than a million, even in the least conservative estimates.

The war on terror is all about securing endless oil supplies, so the US oil companies can make their billions of profit.

From Afghanistan? Also the oil from Saddams government was more stable than from the democratic government.

How many must die for Middle East oil? It is Blood for oil.

Afghanistan isn't in the Middle East.

 



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Kasz216 on 02 December 2009
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
numonex said:

Obama sends 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan bringing it a total of 100,000. How many of these will be killed? More men being sent to their deaths.

The US troops should have never ever entered either Afghanistan or Iraq. Both wars are an illegal invasion and a direct war on Islam.

The wars on Afghanistan and Iraq is a war against Islam. The war on terrorism is a load of BS. I never ever bought that George W. Bush line.

Invading Iraq and Afghanistan killing millions of innocent people. America is the real terrorist here. 6000 US troops dead and counting in the Middle East. They all died in vain to support the US Imperialism.

The war on terror is all about securing endless oil supplies, so the US oil companies can make their billions of profit.

How many must die for Middle East oil? It is Blood for oil.

After all that blood, where's my fucking oil?

That's the funny thing... Afghanistan doesn't even have any oil.

As I understand it, it would be a great place to run a pipeline through... if it were stable.

But I agree that energy isn't a substantial reason for the invasion of Afghanistan.

Pipeline to who?

Unless it were going through Pakistan to the east.  Which itself isn't a bastion of stability.



famousringo on 02 December 2009
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:

That's the funny thing... Afghanistan doesn't even have any oil.

As I understand it, it would be a great place to run a pipeline through... if it were stable.

But I agree that energy isn't a substantial reason for the invasion of Afghanistan.

Pipeline to who?

Unless it were going through Pakistan to the east.  Which itself isn't a bastion of stability.

A little Google reveals plans for a natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and, yes, Pakistan to deliver to India:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

There were some proposals for adding an oil pipeline:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline

And if you want the take of the conspiracy theorists:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

Pakistan was more stable back in those days, or at least seemed to be, under Musharraf.



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Kasz216 on 02 December 2009
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
 

That's the funny thing... Afghanistan doesn't even have any oil.

As I understand it, it would be a great place to run a pipeline through... if it were stable.

But I agree that energy isn't a substantial reason for the invasion of Afghanistan.

Pipeline to who?

Unless it were going through Pakistan to the east.  Which itself isn't a bastion of stability.

A little Google reveals plans for a natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and, yes, Pakistan to deliver to India:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

There were some proposals for adding an oil pipeline:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline

And if you want the take of the conspiracy theorists:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

Pakistan was more stable back in those days, or at least seemed to be, under Musharraf.

Eh, somewhat more stable but anyone paying attention knew that keg was going to burst sooner or later.

 



TheRealMafoo on 02 December 2009
famousringo said:
I do think that there was a time when the Afghan war was winnable, given appropriate resources and strategies. That time has passed.

Your kidding right?

Nothing in the last 8 years of war, has made it more, or less, winnable.

What do you think has changed to make it something we can not win now, but could have won before?



Mr Khan on 02 December 2009
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
 

That's the funny thing... Afghanistan doesn't even have any oil.

As I understand it, it would be a great place to run a pipeline through... if it were stable.

But I agree that energy isn't a substantial reason for the invasion of Afghanistan.

Pipeline to who?

Unless it were going through Pakistan to the east.  Which itself isn't a bastion of stability.

A little Google reveals plans for a natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and, yes, Pakistan to deliver to India:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

There were some proposals for adding an oil pipeline:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline

And if you want the take of the conspiracy theorists:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

Pakistan was more stable back in those days, or at least seemed to be, under Musharraf.

Eh, somewhat more stable but anyone paying attention knew that keg was going to burst sooner or later.

 

It was always a somewhat half-baked idea to get at Turkmen natural gas without having to deal with the Russian consortiums (and thus, Russia herself). Certainly not worth the wars waged for an idea that would be rather tenuous even if Afghanistan were stable.



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