De85 said:
Solid_Raiden said:
kowenicki said:
CGI-Quality said:
Solid_Raiden said:
I don't see this doing 10 million. Period. EVERYONE bought Halo 3. Everyone has to try it. But not everyone who bought halo 3 liked it. The fans are always going to buy a halo game. But Halo fans don't number in the 10 millions. A halo fan would also have bought ODST and it will at least do those sales, even more because it was only an expansion. But I don't see it doing substantionally better then ODST's final numbers.
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Really? I would think it could pull off at least 8-9mill sales WW.
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Everyone didnt buy Halo 3. but yeah, maybe everyone that bought it didnt like it... but then a hell of a lot more then 10 million have bought it or played it. Used, rentals...
reach will be hugerererer 10m plus will happen.
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True. But a lot (read: most) series sell more copies with their first release in a generation then the sequals that follow. For instance MGS 2 sold better then MGS3, and yet MGS4 still performed better then MGS3 also. Also, when Halo 3 released, it was THE FPS and the biggest 360 exclusive. While it is still THE 360 exclusive series, it's been replaced by MW2 as the most popular FPS. Now I'm not saying that Reach will lose a huge amount of sales because of this, but it should obviously effect it negatively in some way. Being the biggest 360 exclusive isn't nearly as important anymore, exspecially after the release of 3. In addition, it's not a numbered entry which regardless of quality might affect it negatively, exspecially after some unhappy buyers of Wars and ODST. Some people might be waiting for a full fledged number entry after those two titles. This game simply isn't as hyped as Halo 3 was. I for one bought Halo 3 and won't be buying Reach. Not new anyway. I also know quite a few people who feel the same. I'm not saying that me and a group of friends mean anything in the grand scheme of things. But I'm sure we are only a small sample of a relatively big group of people who feel the same way and it will have some kind of outcome on the sales. The final thing going agaisnt Reach, and possibly one of the biggest is that the Halo series is becoming oversaturated. When 3 released, gamers had been waiting a couple of years building up hype for the next game in the seires. Reach will have been the third halo game released in the three years following Halo 3. Look at a lot of games with such frequent releases. They gradually drop in sales.
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1. Halo 2 sold more than Halo 1, so I'd be careful making a blanket statement like that. Plus Gears 2 is ontrack to outsell Gears 1, as is Modern Warfare 2. Never understimate the 360 shooter crowd.
2. It also doesn't release until late next year, at the earliest. Wait until next October and then we can compare the hype levels.
3. One of those games was an "expansion" and the other was an RTS. Are you seriously suggesting that Halo 3 fans will pass on Bungie's last huge Halo game because of an RTS? Sorry, I just don't buy it.
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1. I apologize. I meant established series. The rule only applies to sequals and above, and most =/= all.
2. I'm pretty sure people were more hyped for halo 3 at the same period before release. Everyone was screaming for a next gen Halo 3. Not as many people are screaming for another Halo. Regardless of what ODST is, people have just played it and still are to a great extent. They aren't as hungry for a new Halo game. They've had two halo titles this year to stave off their hunger.
3. I obviously wasn't talking about hardcore fans. I'm talking about the casual halo gamer. Unless you actually believe all 10+ million Halo 3 buyers were fans. I'm pretty sure any fan of Halo would buy ODST. As such, I was saying that Reach will sell AT MINIMUM the number that ODST does as it will be bought up mostly by fans. I only said it wouldn't outsell it substantially like most people here believe. ODST looks to sell 5+ million. People here are saying that Reach will do 10+. What makes everyone think that it's a shoe in for doing DOUBLE ODST numbers. To the average consumer ODST was just another Halo game. They wouldn't have known what all (in this case little) was on the disc. Unless you people think that 5+ million fans skipped out on ODST because it was "just" an expansion. It has a full $60 retail price sticker. What average consumer wouldn't think it had the contents of a full game? If it was "just" an expansion to everyone I don't think so many consumers would spend $60 on it thinking to themselves that it didn't contain a full retail games full of content. I'm fairly confindent that a large majority of consumers bought it thinking to themselves that it was another halo FPS.
It can go either way though. I may be proven wrong. Or you might. But to say it's a shoe in either way is pretty absurd. There are simply too many factors which didn't exist when 3 released that it now has to overcome. That doesn't mean that it won't. But it certainly doesn't mean it has to either.
