De85 said:
Solid_Raiden said:
De85 said:
1. Halo 2 sold more than Halo 1, so I'd be careful making a blanket statement like that. Plus Gears 2 is ontrack to outsell Gears 1, as is Modern Warfare 2. Never understimate the 360 shooter crowd.
2. It also doesn't release until late next year, at the earliest. Wait until next October and then we can compare the hype levels.
3. One of those games was an "expansion" and the other was an RTS. Are you seriously suggesting that Halo 3 fans will pass on Bungie's last huge Halo game because of an RTS? Sorry, I just don't buy it.
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1. I apologize. I meant established series. The rule only applies to sequals and above, and most =/= all.
2. I'm pretty sure people were more hyped for halo 3 at the same period before release. Everyone was screaming for a next gen Halo 3. Not as many people are screaming for another Halo. Regardless of what ODST is, people have just played it and still are to a great extent. They aren't as hungry for a new Halo game. They've had two halo titles this year to stave off their hunger.
3. I obviously wasn't talking about hardcore fans. I'm talking about the casual halo gamer. Unless you actually believe all 10+ million Halo 3 buyers were fans. I'm pretty sure any fan of Halo would buy ODST. As such, I was saying that Reach will sell AT MINIMUM the number that ODST does as it will be bought up mostly by fans. I only said it wouldn't outsell it substantially like most people here believe. ODST looks to sell 5+ million. People here are saying that Reach will do 10+. What makes everyone think that it's a shoe in for doing DOUBLE ODST numbers. To the average consumer ODST was just another Halo game. They wouldn't have known what all (in this case little) was on the disc. Unless you people think that 5+ million fans skipped out on ODST because it was "just" an expansion. It has a full $60 retail price sticker. What average consumer wouldn't think it had the contents of a full game? If it was "just" an expansion to everyone I don't think so many consumers would spend $60 on it thinking to themselves that it didn't contain a full retail games full of content. I'm fairly confindent that a large majority of consumers bought it thinking to themselves that it was another halo FPS.
It can go either way though. I may be proven wrong. Or you might. But to say it's a shoe in either way is pretty absurd. There are simply too many factors which didn't exist when 3 released that it now has to overcome. That doesn't mean that it won't. But it certainly doesn't mean it has to either.
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Quite simply, because Reach will not be "just another Halo game." It has been in development since the release of Halo 3 compared to 1 year for ODSt from conception to release. Reach is being made on a completely new engine that already looks good in the few grainy, low-res pics we have seen, and you can bet that MS's advertising campaign for Reach will compare more closely with that of Halo 3 than ODST.
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10+ million hardcore gamers are not going to buy Reach. What makes you think the average consumer is going to have all this info to make any real distinction between reach and ODST?
