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One other thing, if Zexen is in fact a mafia trying to mislynch WoW. Wouldn't the real Cop come in and clear everything up? You know, since WoW is too important to lose like this....



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Final-Fan said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Final-Fan said:
Last game, I was THIS close to overriding his power, but he was so awesome he convinced my own mafia to vote against me.  Maybe he IS better than a cop!

I bet he's gonna bother me with this for life now.  

I didn't mention any names.  In fact, I'd forgotten it was you.  But now that you mention it, yeah, I guess it was you who brutally stabbed your own leader in the back and lost the game.  

 



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Final-Fan said:

If any of that is going on it's totally subconscious; I'm suspicious of your argumentation and last game isn't the "rubbing the wrong way" I mentioned.  

zexen's kamikaze ought to be exactly as effective in the hands of any of his alleged lesser-known mafia pals, as it rests entirely on the cop roleclaim and not any skill at mafia or even debate IMO.  (Contrary to your claim that he and only he was the best choice for the mafia.)

And it's also true that losing zexen the cop is worse than losing WoW the townie.  

Do you mean you've never lost a game that you survived?  I can say that too.  Or have you really never ever lost a game that started out with you as pro-town?  

It really sucks to be vanilla.

I'd love to claim that I'm the Cop or Doctor, but I can't.  zexen couldn't have predicted that and that's why he had to be the one to do this.  If I had had been the Cop then it would have been a better contest of who believes who.  However, the best I can do as vanilla townsfolk is repeat over and over that zexen is mafia and hope that someone will believe me before I end up getting mislynched.

And no, I don't mean I've never lost a game I survived.  I mean literally that I've never lost a game as Pro-Town.  In one of them I was double-lynched at the end (after finding mafia no less >.>), but luckily the town still won.



c03n3nj0 said:
One other thing, if Zexen is in fact a mafia trying to mislynch WoW. Wouldn't the real Cop come in and clear everything up? You know, since WoW is too important to loose like this....

Not all of the town has gotten here since his post so who knows..



Former something....

@j0: The real cop wouldn't come forward because that would make him extremely vulnerable to night kills since the doctor wouldn't know whether to protect zexen or the real cop.



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Blacksaber said:
c03n3nj0 said:
One other thing, if Zexen is in fact a mafia trying to mislynch WoW. Wouldn't the real Cop come in and clear everything up? You know, since WoW is too important to loose like this....

Not all of the town has gotten here since his post so who knows..

With this many players, we could have multiple Cops/Doctors so having a real Cop roleclaim would only help if he also investigated me and could testify that I'm innocent.  (edit:  or got a guilty on zexen)

And even then, if we lynch zexen after a real Cop proves my innocence then it means that it's likely I or the real Cop would be without protection during the night so the mafia gets the chance to kill one of us anyway.

 



Words Of Wisdom said:
Blacksaber said:
c03n3nj0 said:
One other thing, if Zexen is in fact a mafia trying to mislynch WoW. Wouldn't the real Cop come in and clear everything up? You know, since WoW is too important to loose like this....

Not all of the town has gotten here since his post so who knows..

With this many players, we could have multiple Cops/Doctors so having a real Cop roleclaim would only help if he also investigated me and could testify that I'm innocent.  (edit:  or got a guilty on zexen)

And even then, if we lynch zexen after a real Cop proves my innocence then it means that it's likely I or the real Cop would be without protection during the night so the mafia gets the chance to kill one of us anyway.

Wrong, there's still a 50/50 chance of protection which is generally considered enough to scare off mafia.  In fact, I believe we've talked about this and used this very strategy to milk multiple protections out of a doctor before.  Were you a bad guy in that game?  Did something change your mind about the viability of that tactic?  Or are you lying scum?  



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Final-Fan said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Blacksaber said:
c03n3nj0 said:
One other thing, if Zexen is in fact a mafia trying to mislynch WoW. Wouldn't the real Cop come in and clear everything up? You know, since WoW is too important to loose like this....

Not all of the town has gotten here since his post so who knows..

With this many players, we could have multiple Cops/Doctors so having a real Cop roleclaim would only help if he also investigated me and could testify that I'm innocent.  (edit:  or got a guilty on zexen)

And even then, if we lynch zexen after a real Cop proves my innocence then it means that it's likely I or the real Cop would be without protection during the night so the mafia gets the chance to kill one of us anyway.

Wrong, there's still a 50/50 chance of protection which is generally considered enough to scare off mafia.  In fact, I believe we've talked about this and used this very strategy to milk multiple protections out of a doctor before.  Were you a bad guy in that game?  Did something change your mind about the viability of that tactic?  Or are you lying scum?  

This is like the OP.  I swear I'm the only one who reads those end-of-game actions.  In almost every one of those games the Doctor protected the Cop instead of me.

And no, I'm not lying nor scum.  I'm vanilla townsfolk.  Zexen is mafia.  And you're helping him mislynch me.



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I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Damn we're in a difficult situation here.. In one hand we have a cop claiming to have found a mafia, on the other, we have the accused saying its a lie..

We have 3 options
1- We follow the cop and lynch WoW
2- We lynch zexen to see if he's a cop
3- We don't lynch either to see which one is right next day.

From those 2 seems like the worst because in case zex is telling the truth we would loose a cop and let WoW go away with it..

To be honest.. I'm not brave enough to lynch WoW in this situation, and while I have the feeling she's guilty for how she has acted so far, like I said, I'm not brave enough to take the risk. I vote for option 3, if you guys want to lynch her, so be it.



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