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Boneitis said:
Euphoria14 said:
@Boneitis

I don't think has anything to do with cheating devices. This has to do with MS locking out items such as the 2GB Datel Max memory card.

Datel makes more devices than that. They make other devices used for piracy, cheating, etc. Its logical to just block it all.

What if some companies were suing Nintendo for having the DSi block their flash cards? Its just bullshit. Its their hardware and they're allowed to block it, especially if its having a negative impact.

That's not how they blocked it though.  They just blocked memory cards that have more memory then the default microsoft ones.

Datel memory cards with the same memory should still work. (if they exist.)



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Boneitis said:
Euphoria14 said:
@Boneitis

I don't think has anything to do with cheating devices. This has to do with MS locking out items such as the 2GB Datel Max memory card.

Datel makes more devices than that. They make other devices used for piracy, cheating, etc. Its logical to just block it all.

What if some companies were suing Nintendo for having the DSi block their flash cards? Its just bullshit. Its their hardware and they're allowed to block it, especially if its having a negative impact.

I am pretty sure a DS flash cart such as the R4 is a much different case than a 2GB Datel Memory card. Plus Datel memory cards are a much cheaper alternative to the overpriced MS branded stuff.

 



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I can't see any way Datel can win this case. Now if this had to do with PC / Windows locking out hardware they would have a chance.



gurglesletch said:
If they won 360 memory prices would drop like a rock.

No, they wouldn't

dsister44 said:
gurglesletch said:
If they won 360 memory prices would drop like a rock.

No, they wouldn't

True. Third-party PS1 memory cards were dirt cheap or they offered a lot more bang for your buck but yet Sony still overcharged for their official 1 MB 15 block memory card. $20. I have a third-party PS1 memory card that has 8 Megabytes, 120 memory card blocks and cost me the same price as an official Sony one. Yes back in those days, 8MB for $20 was considered cheap for a memory card. lol. The younguns want to complain about M$ accessory pricing but let me tell you, accessory pricing back then was more ridiculous. Yes game saves are bigger these days but a $40 512 MB 360 memory unit (I think M$ was charging the same for less memory earlier on in the gen though) will still take you much further than two 1 MB PS1 memory cards ($40 value). A season in a sports game took up like a third of the Sony PS1 memory card. That`s like paying $6.67 to save a season. Ridiculous. It wasn`t so bad for jrpgs since they only took up one block per save but seeing that I loved sports games as well, a third-party memory card was a must.



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I can't understand why there are people that support this case in this thread. If Datel win this it could be potentially disasterous for future consoles as they could no longer rely on providing consoles as a loss leader with the intention on making money back on accessories/software. The end result is less cutting edge technology or hiked up initial console costs, neither is good for gamers.

I hate accessory pricing and game pricing for that matter, but I recognise this is where console makers make there money. No profit equals no consoles, Datel are just trying to cash in on others investments.



loves2splooge said:
dsister44 said:
gurglesletch said:
If they won 360 memory prices would drop like a rock.

No, they wouldn't

True. Third-party PS1 memory cards were dirt cheap or they offered a lot more bang for your buck but yet Sony still overcharged for their official 1 MB 15 block memory card. $20. I have a third-party PS1 memory card that has 8 Megabytes, 120 memory card blocks and cost me the same price as an official Sony one. Yes back in those days, 8MB for $20 was considered cheap for a memory card. lol. The younguns want to complain about M$ accessory pricing but let me tell you, accessory pricing back then was more ridiculous. A season in a sports game took up like a third of the Sony PS1 memory card. That`s like paying $6.67 to save a season. Ridiculous. It wasn`t so bad for jrpgs since they only took up one block per save but seeing that I loved sports games as well, a third-party memory card was a must.

I actually see it like this. Microsoft didn't raise the prices after they blocked the other ones. Why would they lower them if they unblock other ones?  



loves2splooge said:

I can get the licensing thing but you all know that if Datel tried to get their product licensed, Microsoft would say no. Think about it. Have you seen how ridiculously expensive Microsoft memory cards are? The Datel memory cards give you WAY more bang for your buck and include microSD slots from what I heard. Obviously a HDD gives you more bang for your buck but since hard drives have a shorter lifespan than flash and SD memory, they aren`t exactly all that reliable for storage. That reminds me, I gotta back up all my saves to my expensive as hell M$ memory unit with all the horror stories about people losing all their game saves after their HDD crapped out. Do you think Microsoft would agree to allow a competitor to release a memory card with way better bang for your buck on their console? No, they wouldn`t. They want you to buy their overpriced first-party accessories instead because that`s how they roll. So if Datel happens to win, it will be great but I don`t think it will happen. If Microsoft wants to lock out unlicensed hardware and software through firmware updates, they can do it.

And honestly I see no problem with people releasing unlicensed software on consoles. There is nothing morally wrong about it. If Wisdom Tree wants to release Bible Adventures on the Xbox 360, let them. lol. If the homebrew community wants to release unlicensed eroges on the Xbox 360, let them. The user agrees to play at their own risk when they buy games that aren`t officially unlicensed. But this isn`t about protecting the user or about morals. This is about console manufacturers wanting a cut that they aren`t entitled to (see: when the copyright laws used to be a lot more sane, Nintendo was unable to successfully sue Wisdom Tree for creating games that bypasses the NES and SNES lockout) But now with the new draconian DMCA laws, the law has changed and the corrupt entertainment industry have their way now. You dont have to get software licensed in order to have it work on a Windows OS. Why should it be illegal to do the same for a console? You are effectively screwing over indie developers this way. What if I want to make a video game that Microsoft doesn`t approve of (XNA has almost zero standards but they still won`t accept say an eroge for eg. lol)? Why should it be against the law for me to release the unlicensed game on the console when I can release it for Windows-based computers without having to answer to anybody?

Theirs a reason their is the Nintendo Seal of Approval, I'm not sure if Microsoft or Sony have similiar seals. But developers should be aloud to develop what ever they want for any platform regardless of the first parties tastes. Example the only reason Wisdom Tree went around Nintendo was because no one would approve of their Bible Games. Today we see only about a single Christian game each generation. It should be like freedom of speech developers should be able to develope freely without fears of getting approval. If the game lacks the Nintendo seal of approval then people know Nintendo did not actually liscence the game, as such Nintendo can't be held liable for the product. Thats good enough for me, companies should have seals of approval letting the consumer know that they did not approve or nescessarily agree with the game's content.

 

Like at the begging of movies, the screen lights up and say for example "The content of this movie and the views made in this movie are not the views of 21st Century Fox". Their you go now Fox isn't held responsable for the content and the developer is free to express his views as he wants. Freedom to develop products without prejeduce and bias should be a given. But today if Nintendo Sony or Microsoft disagree with your product. Oh well you just have to develop something they agree with. Thats just not right.



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I thought that all electronic equipment had to allow interface with third-party products, whether it can harm your device or not. If I remember correctly there's like a section in all the manuals for all the electronics I've gotten that says it "complies with such and such a code section blah blah." I don't know, I could be wrong. Have to look into that tomorrow.



While I agree that it kind of sucks for Datel, dsister is right-- it's MS's console, they can do whatever they want with it.