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tedsteriscool said:
"...constitutes unlawful anti-competitive behavior on the part of Microsoft."

FINALLY, a company gets it and steps forward in calling them on this BS.

yeah...really gets it...

 

"microsoft wont let me make money off their success by letting me make their products without approval or money given to them"



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MrBubbles said:
tedsteriscool said:
"...constitutes unlawful anti-competitive behavior on the part of Microsoft."

FINALLY, a company gets it and steps forward in calling them on this BS.

yeah...really gets it...

 

"microsoft wont let me make money off their success by letting me make their products without approval or money given to them"

I'm glad you agree. For a second I thought that was sarcasm.



dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

just when microsoft do it , it's okay, when sony used their own formats everybody said it was wrong.

though sony was not the only supplier of format. sandisk made memory sticks too.

though microsoft it's right, they shouldn't have blocked existing hardware.

now users are forced to buy own microsoft (since they are not many or any third party supplier), and they lost their data if they update.



Xoj said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

just when microsoft do it , it's okay, when sony used their own formats everybody said it was wrong.

though sony was not the only supplier of format. sandisk made memory sticks too.

though microsoft it's right, they shouldn't have blocked existing hardware.

now users are forced to buy own microsoft (since they are not many or any third party supplier), and they lost their data if they update.

They can do whatever they want with their console as well



I'm naturally presuming Datel never had consent from Microsoft to produce this hardware. They create products that allow people to cheat and hurt the experience for other players. Whether you like MS or not this is a bullshit case.



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@Boneitis

I don't think has anything to do with cheating devices. This has to do with MS locking out items such as the 2GB Datel Max memory card.



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I can get the licensing thing but you all know that if Datel tried to get their product licensed, Microsoft would say no. Think about it. Have you seen how ridiculously expensive Microsoft memory cards are? The Datel memory cards give you WAY more bang for your buck and include microSD slots from what I heard. Obviously a HDD gives you more bang for your buck but since hard drives have a shorter lifespan than flash and SD memory, they aren`t exactly all that reliable for storage. That reminds me, I gotta back up all my saves to my expensive as hell M$ memory unit with all the horror stories about people losing all their game saves after their HDD crapped out. Do you think Microsoft would agree to allow a competitor to release a memory card with way better bang for your buck on their console? No, they wouldn`t. They want you to buy their overpriced first-party accessories instead because that`s how they roll. So if Datel happens to win, it will be great but I don`t think it will happen. If Microsoft wants to lock out unlicensed hardware and software through firmware updates, they can do it.

And honestly I see no problem with people releasing unlicensed software on consoles. There is nothing morally wrong about it. If Wisdom Tree wants to release Bible Adventures on the Xbox 360, let them. lol. If the homebrew community wants to release unlicensed eroges on the Xbox 360, let them. The user agrees to play at their own risk when they buy games that aren`t officially unlicensed. But this isn`t about protecting the user or about morals. This is about console manufacturers wanting a cut that they aren`t entitled to (see: when the copyright laws used to be a lot more sane, Nintendo was unable to successfully sue Wisdom Tree for creating games that bypasses the NES and SNES lockout) But now with the new draconian DMCA laws, the law has changed and the corrupt entertainment industry have their way now. You dont have to get software licensed in order to have it work on a Windows OS. Why should it be illegal to do the same for a console? You are effectively screwing over indie developers this way. What if I want to make a video game that Microsoft doesn`t approve of (XNA has almost zero standards but they still won`t accept say an eroge for eg. lol)? Why should it be against the law for me to release the unlicensed game on the console when I can release it for Windows-based computers without having to answer to anybody?



Euphoria14 said:
@Boneitis

I don't think has anything to do with cheating devices. This has to do with MS locking out items such as the 2GB Datel Max memory card.

Datel makes more devices than that. They make other devices used for piracy, cheating, etc. Its logical to just block it all.

What if some companies were suing Nintendo for having the DSi block their flash cards? Its just bullshit. Its their hardware and they're allowed to block it, especially if its having a negative impact.



Boneitis said:
Euphoria14 said:
@Boneitis

I don't think has anything to do with cheating devices. This has to do with MS locking out items such as the 2GB Datel Max memory card.

Datel makes more devices than that. They make other devices used for piracy, cheating, etc. Its logical to just block it all.

those are understandable because piracy is illegal in some countries, but when datel also offers something like a memory card, controllers.

i think there isn't a logitech driving wheel for the 360! which it's a shame since logitech ones are awesome.

 

this is like sony banning sandisk memory cards from their cameras if sandisk didn't have a deal, the thing is microsoft doens't want to give a permition.

if this case was in EU microsoft would be in trouble, windows 7 now let u remove IE 7 and WMP.

something they locked on vista.

and pay alot of money.



If they won 360 memory prices would drop like a rock.