Rath said: Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas but it's also a less common one than CO2. CO2 is the second largest contributor to the greenhouse effect after water vapor.
@Squlliam. The problem with our ETS scheme is that it's very lopsided and essentially stupid. It grants huge concessions to farmers when farmers emit a huge amount of our greenhouse emissions. In reality we need to accept that per capita emissions for NZ are always going to be large as we export so much meat and dairy.
One question for everyone who believes that AGW is driven by a political agenda. Who's political agenda is it? Every damned country is doing their best to avoid the issue - hence the problem with the Copenhagen talks. |
Politically there is an immense amount of gain to be had by politicians if they can convince people to give them power over carbon emissions. Most of your modern life can be controlled through regulations on carbon...thats just a fact. So anyone with interest in government nanny state type policies could find something to gain in it regardless of validity.
The avoidance of real action is due, almost entirely, to the fact that analysis continually shows that carbon trading schemes produce one of two results. Either it is so ineffective as to be worthless, or it demolishes economic production. Even children won't reach their hand through a meatgrinder to get their favorite treat...as much as they might want it. But they would probably let their little brother do it for them...
But interestingly, if you want to get at the root of the political motivations what you will find is that the cap'n'trade scheme itself owes its origins to Enron. That is one of the reasons I get a good ole hearty chuckle every time someone says "they're just the mouthpiece of big energy companies" or the millions of variations of that statement. Aside from the fact that pro-AGW spending outwieghs the opposition by probably well over 100 to 1, the AGW movement owes a tremendous debt to Enron who pushed it in the mid to late 80s and throughout the 90s as a potentially massive revenue source after having luck with other similar credit trading schemes. When you additionally consider the trillions that stand to be made from the proposed "solutions". I find it beyond hysterical that anyone could say skeptics are in it for the money...particularly skeptical scientists who are more likely to be denied grants because of their position on the issue (this has even been true of those Scientist outside of the climate science field).
But on the political front, I would say a great deal of individuals are buying into AGW legitimately..I don't think there are many (if any) prominent figures who believe it is false but push it anyways. I think they want to believe it is true and like any specious argument in that environment it has some pretty long legs. Antiprocess is simply a large part of the AGW debate in general, and I have always found that to be true of both sides of the debate. The underlying difference is that skeptics base their conclusions largely real world data and field results....AGW proponents base their conclusions largely on models, predictions, and proxies of questionable reliability. That isn't meant as a shot at AGW proponents either..it is just a cold hard fact that there is an over-reliance on high-uncertainty methodologies on that side of the debate (making their claims of certainty fairly absurd). That wouldn't be quite as bad as it is if they were more willing to be open and share the data and model code they are using to reach their conclusions, at least then critical eyes would get their chance to pick at the theories and we would know if they could withstand the basic levels of scrutiny (honestly if they are correct the scrutiny will only make their argument stronger).
PS - Keep in mind that anything that is not falsifiable is not science and if you will not present your data/models to others there is no way it can be falsified...what you have done is, by definition, not science.