Confidential E-Mails Uncovered: AGW May Of Been Faked / Exagerated

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fmc83 said:

Actually I still don't get, why people would see a conspiracy behind global warming. Just read an article some days ago, that while the global temperature difference in the last 10 years was 0,0 %. If you read this you would say: "Wow, global warming must be a hoax". And then you think about it.

A.) Not as many stations in the arctica and antarctica and therefore flaws in the calculation methods of the measurement, while the ice is definitely shrinking.
B.) Imagine the gulf stream disappearing - I'll bet Ireland and England won't have palm-trees on the shores anymore - therfore there no higher temperatures.

By the way the Copenhagen Diagnosis is out
http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/
And this says, that the warming could happen faster, than we think.

I'm not an expert and leave this to them, but undeniable facts are:
1. mankind boosts out more Co2 and the alike then ever before in history (of mankind)
2. Co2-killers like primary forests (=natural eco systems) have never been less in history (of mankind)
3. over short or long oil, gas and uranium (therefore nuclear power planting is not alternate) will run out
4. icebergs in the arctica/ antarctica and glaciers are melting (compared to the time, when we started to take scientifical notice of them)

Wether this leads to dangerous global warming or not - I frankly don't know, but if this leads to it, we or at least some billion humans are more or less fu***d.

Some notes:

Point A - You are correct that the arctic ice is down over 30 year mean values, however the Antartic is a differenty story.  Antartica is above 30 year mean values and trending upwards not down.  NSIDC keeps these figures.

Point 2- This one is a bit tricky.  There are two factors involved here, forest density and forest area.  By raw greenery we are actually near an all-time high thanks to the CO2 we have added to the environment for these plants (they love it obviously).  But due to land management issues the area which plant-life covers is lower.  The data supports this by showing that forest density is on the rise while forest area is on the decline.  img

Point 4 - We are currently in the midst of an interglacial period.  In short, glaciers are supposed to be melting right now, these glaciers formed during the last ice age and now are in the midst of what has been a very very long melt (which is normal).  The rate of melt is naturally subject to change with temperature which is why the rise in temps during the latter half of the last century produced increased melting and why the slight cooling trend as produced a stablizaiton effect in the same manner.  None of this actually goes to proving what caused the warming of course.

I actually agree with you quite a bit on points 1 and 3.  I think point 1 is actually a good thing as evidenced by increased plant growth, and I think point 3 is one of the reasons why we absolutely do need to work on energy conservation while we find a way to get fusion power up and operating (there are 3 facilities already able to produce the reaction, but not for sustained periods due to insane temperatures, this is the clean and unlimited energy of our dreams and it gets very little funding at present).

But while I'm all for energy conservation, working towards renewable energy (and reliable energy partners), etc...I am in no way for any carbon regulation or forced participation in energy conservation practices (if saving money isn't good enough let them pay for it literally).