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Kantor said:
After Al Gore did his Inconvenient Truth speeches, did he watch a video of the audience and laugh for two hours?

He owns a carbon credit company and won an Oscar and a Nobel Peace Prize for what amounts to a slideshow presentation, so... maybe.



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So...Global Warming is fake!?( skimmed article )



Rath said:
Personally I'm viewing this the way I view most of this stuff. As a crackpot conspiracy theory.

The guy who runs the center that was broken in to actually states that the stuff released is accurate though.  His main claim is simply he doesn't know what he meant when he said stuff like "mask decreases in tempeture."



Kantor said:
This brings up the question: What do people serve to gain by "pretending" that we are causing the world to heat up? Are they doing this for the lolz? After Al Gore did his Inconvenient Truth speeches, did he watch a video of the audience and laugh for two hours?

I'm not saying AGW does exist, but if scientists knew it didn't, why wouldn't they say as much?

Al Gore owns a carbon credit company.  People and buisnesses pay Al Gore a volentary carbon credit tax to alleive their consiouses and claim they are "green."

Al Gore has made a lot off Global Warming.



kowenicki said:
@xxain

not what it says... it says global warming caused by humans is fake.

Well, actually, the emails even suggest that global warming in general may be fake, since they talk about "masking" drops in global tempeture by adding theortecial tempetures in with real tempetrues.

As in adding what they predicted with what they actually got to make it like what they predicted.

 



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kowenicki said:
@kasz

yeah it does say that...

Although one could argue... and i imagine if forced to, they would... that just because the tempeture drops a few years doesn't mean global warming isn't happening.

Of course this would mean they would have to concede stuff like sun pattern having a bigger effect.

In general it shows that global warming science has been so politicized that scientists have willingly concealed data to maintain the status quo and that man made global warming is less serious then stated.

 

As for how much, it's unsure until forced to release such data... which is one of the reasons i've never liked global warming reasearch in the first place... they never give you nearly as much stats as other science articles.

It could turn out simply that there is some man made global warming, it's just less then thought and due to the way over politicizing of it by people like Al Gore said scientists formed said conspiracy specifcally so the data didn't harm the efforts to change things.

 



Khuutra said:

Stickball I appreciate the point being made here but it is kind of lost when the journalists you are linking to uses the phrase "eco-fascists" without a dollop of irony.

Well there is on the otherhand... the direct source.

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/


Has all the emails listed directly.  The guy actually admitted that the one where he talks about masking cooling was an actual email he wrote though... but that he didn't falsify data... and he didn't know what he meant by "mask cooling."

He'd of been better off saying it was forged...



Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:

Stickball I appreciate the point being made here but it is kind of lost when the journalists you are linking to uses the phrase "eco-fascists" without a dollop of irony.

Well there is on the otherhand... the direct source.

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/


Has all the emails listed directly.  The guy actually admitted that the one where he talks about masking cooling was an actual email he wrote though... but that he didn't falsify data... and he didn't know what he meant by "mask cooling."

He'd of been better off saying it was forged...

That will certainly do it.

I like how he refers to it as "climate change", though, since "global warming" has been a misnomer for a few years



thats pretty damning and shocking if true



According to this slashdot comment, the quote about manipulating data was taken out of context... I'm not going to waste much time investigating this for now, but read it here for what it's worth:

http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1451926&cid=30176822

It certainly can't be worth less than a bunch of quotes taken out of context.

 



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