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Forums - Sales - Level 5 : JRPG's LOOSING Momentum in Japan, FF13 can HELP JRPG's in west!

jarrod on 20 November 2009
makingmusic476 said:
I also find it funny that Level 5 claims JRPGs are losing momentum in Japan when White Knight Chronicles is soon to be their best selling RPG that isn't called Dragon Quest ever in the country.

No it isn't, it's not even as far as Rogue Galaxy or Inazuma Eleven 2.  I think Nunokuni will sell better too.

 

reaver_x said:

But this FF game is taking nearly 5 years to come out and so we are without a million seller(on a console anyway) for a vast majority of this gaming gen which dosent look good

On Wii Super Paper Mario and Monster Hunter 3 are both there, but then they're both also Action RPGs.



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makingmusic476 on 20 November 2009
jarrod said:
makingmusic476 said:
I also find it funny that Level 5 claims JRPGs are losing momentum in Japan when White Knight Chronicles is soon to be their best selling RPG that isn't called Dragon Quest ever in the country.

No it isn't, it's not even as far as Rogue Galaxy or Inazuma Eleven 2.  I think Nunokuni will sell better too.

 

reaver_x said:

But this FF game is taking nearly 5 years to come out and so we are without a million seller(on a console anyway) for a vast majority of this gaming gen which dosent look good

On Wii Super Paper Mario and Monster Hunter 3 are both there, but then they're both also Action RPGs.

I forgot about the Inazuma series.  Of their other released JRPGs (Dark Cloud 1/2, Rogue Galaxy), the only one they have yet to top in Japan is Rogue Galaxy, and they're getting close.  They've topped 360k since the rerelease and the release of the Slim.



reaver_x on 20 November 2009
Xxain said:
makingmusic476 said:
I also find it funny that Level 5 claims JRPGs are losing momentum in Japan when White Knight Chronicles is soon to be their best selling RPG that isn't called Dragon Quest ever in the country.

im sure he's talkin about in generally, of course there are a few exceptions( FF,DQ.ROF) JRPG's are failing to see good sells( were lucky to see them hit 500k) compared to last gen were a great deal at least made it 500k

well not neccessarly

SO4, TLR, Blue Dragon and IU all made it to 500k on the 360 and Lost Odyssey sold even more than that

VC even though it took forever it did end up maing 500k as well. and since the legs are holding nicely so will demons souls and that hasnt been released in Europe yet

 

if ur looking at it this way of making 500k WW minimum, then they arent really doing as bad as u think




 

 

                     

reaver_x on 20 November 2009
dobby985 said:
Duh! The Japanese game market is dead anyway.

guess u dont play handhelds huh




 

 

                     

Xxain on 20 November 2009
reaver_x said:
Xxain said:
makingmusic476 said:
I also find it funny that Level 5 claims JRPGs are losing momentum in Japan when White Knight Chronicles is soon to be their best selling RPG that isn't called Dragon Quest ever in the country.

im sure he's talkin about in generally, of course there are a few exceptions( FF,DQ.ROF) JRPG's are failing to see good sells( were lucky to see them hit 500k) compared to last gen were a great deal at least made it 500k

well not neccessarly

SO4, TLR, Blue Dragon and IU all made it to 500k on the 360 and Lost Odyssey sold even more than that

VC even though it took forever it did end up maing 500k as well. and since the legs are holding nicely so will demons souls and that hasnt been released in Europe yet

 

if ur looking at it this way of making 500k WW minimum, then they arent really doing as bad as u think


how much of that came from Japan

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r505Matt on 20 November 2009
Citan said:
r505Matt said:
Citan said:
r505Matt said:

I can understand some of that sentiment, but I've liked some of their post-SNES games. FF7, FF10, IU, Dissidia.

I don't usually play games for some sort of higher intellectual pursuit. For RPGS specifically, it's all about a good story (that I don't see coming after 2 hours of gameplay( *cough* FF9 minus the last boss that made no sense)) and good characters with good interchange.

That's why I absolutely LOVE Dragon Age Origins right now. The exchange between your party members is awesome, no other game I've played compares.

Edit: If I desire some kinda of higher intellectual pursuit, I read the latest science articles. I used to try to read Physics textbooks (in ebook format of course) but that got boring FAST.

So you compare the words higher intellectual only with science?

Um, no, did I say that? Why would you think I'd relate 'higher intellectual' with ONLY science?

No, that`s why I asked.

"So you compare the words higher intellectual only with science?"

When you ask a question in this manner, you're essentially inferring that you believe the answer to be yes, or you're expecting the answer to be yes. You should have asked "Do you ...". If I were to say "So you haven't finished high school yet?" I'd be assuming you are still in high school, or that you are even younger.

I think I learned this in 10th grade? It's been a while.



jarrod on 20 November 2009
Xxain said:
makingmusic476 said:
I also find it funny that Level 5 claims JRPGs are losing momentum in Japan when White Knight Chronicles is soon to be their best selling RPG that isn't called Dragon Quest ever in the country.

im sure he's talkin about in generally, of course there are a few exceptions( FF,DQ.ROF) JRPG's are failing to see good sells( were lucky to see them hit 500k) compared to last gen were a great deal at least made it 500k

JRPGs really weren't selling amazingly last gen either, at least not outside Japan.  Hell, most didn't do amazingly the gen before that even.

Inside Japan, JRPGs are still doing fine on DS (and to a lesser extent PSP and consoles).  The mid/low tier stuff is doing a little worse than before though, but the biggest series (DQ, Pokemon) are doing better.



reaver_x on 20 November 2009
Xxain said:
reaver_x said:
Xxain said:
makingmusic476 said:
I also find it funny that Level 5 claims JRPGs are losing momentum in Japan when White Knight Chronicles is soon to be their best selling RPG that isn't called Dragon Quest ever in the country.

im sure he's talkin about in generally, of course there are a few exceptions( FF,DQ.ROF) JRPG's are failing to see good sells( were lucky to see them hit 500k) compared to last gen were a great deal at least made it 500k

well not neccessarly

SO4, TLR, Blue Dragon and IU all made it to 500k on the 360 and Lost Odyssey sold even more than that

VC even though it took forever it did end up maing 500k as well. and since the legs are holding nicely so will demons souls and that hasnt been released in Europe yet

 

if ur looking at it this way of making 500k WW minimum, then they arent really doing as bad as u think

how much of that came from Japan

well juding by the VG chartz listings, id say half came from there and the other half from NA. Unless its all undertracked




 

 

                     

Xxain on 20 November 2009
jarrod said:
Xxain said:
makingmusic476 said:
I also find it funny that Level 5 claims JRPGs are losing momentum in Japan when White Knight Chronicles is soon to be their best selling RPG that isn't called Dragon Quest ever in the country.

im sure he's talkin about in generally, of course there are a few exceptions( FF,DQ.ROF) JRPG's are failing to see good sells( were lucky to see them hit 500k) compared to last gen were a great deal at least made it 500k

JRPGs really weren't selling amazingly last gen either, at least not outside Japan.  Hell, most didn't do amazingly the gen before that even.

Inside Japan, JRPGs are still doing fine on DS (and to a lesser extent PSP and consoles).  The mid/low tier stuff is doing a little worse than before though, but the biggest series (DQ, Pokemon) are doing better.


i think were about Japan...?....W/e im lost

The Anarchyz on 20 November 2009
jarrod said:
The Anarchyz said:

Citan said:

Final Fantasy will be a graphical feast with rpg elements. Nothing more or less I`m afraid.

SE best achievements ended with SNES.

They will still make great make great games, but not for the demanding crowd that want something other than a

hollywood blockbuster, but something that is on an higher intellectual level.

I thought those days were over until I played Demon`s Soul`s.

SE wasn't around in the SNES days, Square Co. and Enix were separate companies.

If you're talking about Square, they made great games in the PS1/PS2 era also (Final Fantasy VIII/X/VII/Tactics, Xenogears, Parasite Eve, Kingdom Hearts, Chrono Cross)

If you're talking about Enix, what about Dragon Quest VII, Valkyrie Profile or Star Ocean: Till the End of Time?

I think Square went from strength to strength in the SFC to PS1 transition.  They really had tons of great games throughout.

Enix though definitely lost something I felt, their SFC lineup was brimming with great and interesting games (DQ 5-6, DQ1-3r, Evo, Actraiser, Terranigma, Illusion of Gaia, SoulBlazer, Robotrek, Wonder Project J, Mystic Ark, Brainlord, Star Ocean, etc) but the only real PS1 standouts from them were DQ7, DQ4r, Torneko 2, Star Ocean 2 and Valkyrie Profile.  That basically continued on PS2... it's like all Enix became was DQ and tri-Ace games after SFC. :/

That's true, Enix really shrank after the SNES era, while Square brought the same strength with bigger sales...