i really like halo, its one of many games i really enjoy, i hope reach does well, i liked odst, but was a little disappointed with the short campaign, they just need to add some new, mixed with the old to get a spark again, halo started the fps in my opinion, it was the very best for the time, now there are just so many other great fps to play. i will always be a halo fan, but yes there are some other better fps to play these days, i am excited to see what reach has to offer.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said halo was kiddy. Just that the graphical style is really toned down and hasn't aged gracefully. Thus kiddy.

Maybe I've just been spoiled by CoD lately, which combines a colorfullness and realism about it. I'm just saying there is no excuse why halo shouldn't look better, regarding graphics. Especially reach.

COD>Halo. it's as simple as that. i prefer real guns over shootin pink lasers.

You must be hardcore!

I won't say the game is bad but I think MS and Halo are like Square-Enix and Final Fantasy VII, what they can get out of it they will.

No not really, Halo isn't milked at all. I can see Reach selling a lot more than Halo 3.

Well, you never know what Bungie has under their sleeves. They could definitely come up with another Halo game that could sell even more than Halo 3.

Mostly interested in your sig actually. Good on you for keeping it there and owning your prediction errors. When did you make the prediction by the way? Must have been in the early part of 2009.

OTP: Personally I have no interest in Halo, but it seems premature to be suggesting the quality or popularity of this franchise is on the wane. Halo Wars sold very well for a console RTS and I bet it mostly sold to Halo (i.e. FPS) fans so introducing some of them to an entirely different game genre, which means Bungie has done a good service for gaming and the RTS genre in particular. ODST being a full priced expansion pack has done outstandingly well given t is an expansion pack and it is being sold at full game price. As with all games only a proportion of the owners of the full game will buy the expansion pack and with ODST looking like it might settle at about 1/3 or more of Halo 3 it is pretty good. If anyone was expecting ODST to sell like Halo 3 they were just being naive. ODST is really a place holder between Halo 3 and Reach.

The longterm prospects for Halo rest on Halo: Reach. 7 million+ sales I think is the key target for holding on to a satisfactory fanbase. There will be a substantial number of people who aren't Halo fans who bought Halo 3, and with the much bigger library of grade A games now compared to when Halo 3 came out those people may not go for Halo Reach. If you expect Reach to outsell Halo 3 you may be setting yourself up for disappointment, but that doesn't mean Reach itself would have disappointing sales and it won't mean the series is on the decline.

Yeah, I made it at the end of january this year. I'll keep the sig until next year.

I'm winning the bet with Stof though!

Ummm. What?

Don't these threads have to wait until a game is released in the franchise that sells poorly?